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They play Oregon next Saturday? OMG they should all call in sick.
They travel to #2 Indiana 2 weeks later.

Before the season started, I knew that the Badgers had a tough schedule this season, but I expected that the game in Bloomington might be winnable. I just hope they hold them under 50 points and I am not talking about the basketball team.
 
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They travel to #2 Indiana 2 weeks later.

Before the season started, I knew that the Badgers had a tough schedule this season, but I expected that the game in Bloomington might be winnable. I just hope they hold them under 50 points and I am not talking about the basketball team.
I kind of wish the NY Jets were on their schedule.
 
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Now once you GET them to Wisconsin, how do you KEEP them in Wisconsin? ;)

That isn't so difficult in a successful program like Women's Hockey and Volleyball. 2 programs that quite honestly, if I had a spare million laying around, I would donate it to way before I would give it to Football.

Anyway, I don't mean to be the squeaky wheel when it comes to Badger Football :) However, I do think that they have fallen into a deep hole, and one that due to the TP and NIL, is a much deeper and full of quicksand, than the one they fell into before Barry Alverez took over. How do they get out? Great coaching, successful seasons, lots of NIL money and a TP that is mainly pointed in their direction, as opposed to going away from them.
I think 13Below offered some interesting stats. For a team that doesn't get quality players, they were doing a great job turning out NFL players. You sell that fact to recruits. Players who are walk-ons end up making it big in the NFL going through the Wisconsin program. Meanwhile, players who are high 4-star and 5-star players languish on the bench at Georgia, Ohio State, and other schools, and never get their shot at the brass ring. Despite all the issues surrounding Chryst as the HC, the one thing he stuck with, and I agreed, was the walk-on program and handing out scholarships to players who earned them. The big-name schools just don't do that because they don't have to and don't care. There's another body to replace you.

Wisconsin was called a "blue collar" team. The work ethic was there. Alvarez wouldn't allow anything different. He made it work and it will again with the right leadership. Looking to someone else to come in and create another new culture in Wisconsin would be suicidal for the program. Bring someone in who loves the old traditions and the way of doing business and ramp up the recruiting to where it should be.

As for players leaving the program to go to higher profile programs? Over the course of the Alvarez and Chryst eras as head coaches, identify players who actually made that work for them. By and large, they end up at other programs and don't move forward, they fall back, and some end up back in the portal and playing at small schools because they didn't know what they had by being a Badger.

A point was made in the thread that Cignetti built his winning team at Indiana by bringing players in through the portal from the school he coached at previously, not recruiting. I got to thinking about that and even though the statement made sense, it doesn't. Think about what it says. Players he coached at his previous school came to Indiana through the portal. The other school was James Madison and not even close to resembling a major team. What's missed is that Cignetti recruited those 13 players to a lesser program where NIL money isn't more than a bag of burgers. He got them there then brought them to Indiana and they're winners. Those were his recruits. It proves that when you prioritize the right things in recruiting the results can be there. You just gotta go out with the right people and make it happen.
 

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I think 13Below offered some interesting stats. For a team that doesn't get quality players, they were doing a great job turning out NFL players.

"Were" being the key word.

I guess you are looking at "the old Badgers". In this past draft, I believe Hunter Wohler was the Badger that went the highest in the draft and that was Round 7 in the 230's. Jack Nelson was drafted after him and was the only other Badger actually drafted.

In 2024, I believe Braelon Allen and Tyler Bortolini were the only Badgers drafted.

Again, old VS current, are 2 completely different pictures. I can't even think of any of the current Badgers that will be projected to be drafted, if there are, I doubt any prior to round 5 or even 6.

So yes, there is a lot of "Tradition" with UW Football, but Fickell, NIL and the Transfer Portal have eroded a lot of it in a short time.
 
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"Were" being the key word.

I guess you are looking at "the old Badgers". In this past draft, I believe Hunter Wohler was the Badger that went the highest in the draft and that was Round 7 in the 230's. Jack Nelson was drafter after him and was the only other Badger actually drafted.

In 2024, I believe Braelon Allen and Tyler Bortolini were the only Badgers drafted.

Again, old VS current, are 2 completely different pictures. I can't even think of any of the current Badgers that will projected to be drafted, yet along before the 5th round.

So yes, there is a lot of "Tradition" with UW Football, but Fickell, NIL and the Transfer Portal have eroded a lot of it in a short time.
Fickell did hurt the program considerably. Who could move to the next level? No guarantees on any of them but here's a list of a few who have at least an outside shot in my opinion. How many actually make it, could be zero could be five. I don't know. Ricardo Hallman, Jake Renfro, Lance Mason, Riley Mahlman, JP Benschawal. I'm looking at them in the order shown as possibility, best to worst chance.

Braelon Allen has fallen on some hard times already. He needed more time prepping to get there but his value would have suffered under Fickell. Bartoloni seems to be doing fine with the Colts. But both of them were Chryst recruits, not through Fickell.

It's got to start from the bottom and build on the culture that existed before Fickell. Anything else would be disastrous.
 

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I think 13Below offered some interesting stats. For a team that doesn't get quality players, they were doing a great job turning out NFL players. You sell that fact to recruits. Players who are walk-ons end up making it big in the NFL going through the Wisconsin program. Meanwhile, players who are high 4-star and 5-star players languish on the bench at Georgia, Ohio State, and other schools, and never get their shot at the brass ring. Despite all the issues surrounding Chryst as the HC, the one thing he stuck with, and I agreed, was the walk-on program and handing out scholarships to players who earned them
Yeah... this... you've collated and synthesized two different thoughts that were running through my mind, and turned them into a single, excellent observation. That point about the 4/5 star players stuck on a long bench at a Top 5 school is what I was talking about last week, but you made the connection with my observation about how many NFL players Wisconsin churns out.

I think you tied this up quite well. Very nicely done!
 

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This program is becoming a dumpster fire... I feel for those poor players, watching their college careers and possibly NFL dreams going up in smoke.


“Fickell has been shutting NFL scouts out of practice so games are the only chance for teams to get eyes on Wisconsin players in person,” Brugler reported on Saturday.

Fickell was asked about this report after the game on Saturday and defiantly denied it.

“No, we have NFL scouts there almost every single day,” Fickell said. “Maybe they can’t watch the whole practice on a Wednesday, but my goodness, we don’t even have much of a restriction.”

One scout responded to Fickell’s denial saying, “he knows he’s lying,” according to senior NFL writer Kalyn Kahler of ESPN.


 
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This program is becoming a dumpster fire... I feel for those poor players, watching their college careers and possibly NFL dreams going up in smoke.





Fickell needs to be replaced "now," not later. The man is hell bent on destroying every player on the team's outside chance of getting to the next level. If he's not gone soon enough for someone to address issues by the end of the season, the players hitting the portal who aren't marginal will outnumber those staying. This whole thing is, as you said, a dumpster fire.

As for the scouts, why would they lie? There is absolutely nothing to gain on their part by doing it. Fickell is turning into a real problem.
 

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Fickell needs to be replaced "now," not later. The man is hell bent on destroying every player on the team's outside chance of getting to the next level. If he's not gone soon enough for someone to address issues by the end of the season, the players hitting the portal who aren't marginal will outnumber those staying. This whole thing is, as you said, a dumpster fire.

As for the scouts, why would they lie? There is absolutely nothing to gain on their part by doing it. Fickell is turning into a real problem.
Did you read all the way to the bottom?

Despite these brutal results, Wisconsin athletic director Chris McIntosh released a statement voicing his support for Fickell as the team’s leader on Monday.

How can they possibly justify keeping him any longer? He's disgracing not just the program, but the university as a whole. At least Belichick had the integrity to admit he was doing something similar.
 

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Just a little food for thought, and possibly a little discussion. Honestly, I know nothing about any of these guys except Lance Leipold, and not much about him. He's from the Madison area, and ran up a .948 record at his alma mater Whitewater, with 6 national championships. He'd probably recruit well in Wisconsin, and really loves the state, but he's a little bit controversial, too.

 
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Just a little food for thought, and possibly a little discussion. Honestly, I know nothing about any of these guys except Lance Leipold, and not much about him. He's from the Madison area, and ran up a .948 record at his alma mater Whitewater, with 6 national championships. He'd probably recruit well in Wisconsin, and really loves the state, but he's a little bit controversial, too.

I think the world and all of Lance. Years ago, when he was coaching Whitewater, I had a couple of his players work with me during the summer. I met him and enjoyed watching Whitewater play from their sidelines at several home games. To say he's a good coach is an understatement. He's the kind of coach who demands players give their best on every down.

I think he might have been a good choice before getting Fickell. Now, not so much. He's not a spring chicken any longer, and his term as head coach would be short. He's over 60 and by the time he got the program where he wanted, he'd be retiring. It's just a little too late I'm afraid. That's the only reason I'd leave him off my short list for possible replacements.

Matt Campbell is a good coach. he falls into that mid 40s range in age. He's done a good job with Iowa State, but he's not that "home run hitter" so his results will be mixed, not unlike Chryst had. I'm not certain he'd have the kind of appeal that's needed to keep the local kids at home to be honest. Matt has 15 players on active NFL rosters this year, and 5 more on either IR or practice squads. An impressive number but essentially the majority of those he's gotten to that level was around 2021. Since then, the talent level of the Cyclones has hit a few roadblocks, mostly because of a lack of NIL money, I'd guess.

It keeps bringing me back to Leonhard, who is 42. Barry Alvarez was 44 when Wisconsin brought him on board. Hiring in that age range gives a coach an opportunity to establish a program and guide it for an extended period of time. That, in respect to Wisconsin football, is essential. Badger recruiting relies heavily on familiarity. Jim brings that familiarity to Madison and getting into the pockets of NIL donors would be a lot easier for him with the right staff in my opinion.

When the Badgers hired Fickell, I'm afraid I'd gotten wrapped up in the "culture change" rage that was going around. I realize now that that's not how it will work in Madison. The Badgers have their own culture, not something "new" generated by an outsider who sets down new "rules" and tells everyone how it's going to be from now on.

Recruiting at the DI level is a real cutthroat thing and finding coaches who are good on the sidelines and good at visiting the families of prospects and convincing them to consider your school as their future playground is difficult in so many ways. I think the best of them take time to study the families of each home they intend visiting and develop their shmooze to cover each one individually. It can be nauseating, especially if you understand just how they operate.

I knew one coach, for a SEC school, who told me he'd eaten so much Southern fried chicken, sweet potato pie, and cornbread that while recruiting in the South that he begged his wife to never serve any of it at home again. But, when he was visiting mom & pop, he'd eat it up and talk about how the woman was serving him something that he remembered as a kid when his poor old mother slaved over a stove to create those culinary delights. The fact is, he hated all three and did since he was a kid, and his mom was a horrible cook, and his dad did most of the cooking and it was steaks and pot roasts in his home as a kid. To him, chickens was something that if you saw it in the road, you turned it into roadkill.
 
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I figured a month ago that 3 boat racings would do it. Apparently I'm wrong. Now I'm hoping it doesn't take more than 4 to pull the plug on this disastrous nightmare. If it does, Mc Intosh needs to get the guillotine as well.
Agreed. Whether the blame for the Badgers' disastrous season (and the two seasons before this one), can be placed on Fickell seems irrelevant. The team needs a change of direction and a much better plan from the AD on how to use the portal and NIL too attract/recruit players, and how to find a HC who can successfully manage in this environment.

Fickell is (was?) an accomplished coach, taking his last Cincinnati team to the CFP. Going to UW was a case of wrong time, wrong place. Again, blaming anyone now is pointless. Take a fresh look at what is required to succeed in this new era of NCAA football - well, all sports really.

I mean if Indiana can do it.........
 
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Agreed. Whether the blame for the Badgers' disastrous season (and the two seasons before this one), can be placed on Fickell seems irrelevant. The team needs a change of direction and a much better plan from the AD on how to use the portal and NIL too attract/recruit players, and how to find a HC who can successfully manage in this environment.

Fickell is (was?) an accomplished coach, taking his last Cincinnati team to the CFP. Going to UW was a case of wrong time, wrong place. Again, blaming anyone now is pointless. Take a fresh look at what is required to succeed in this new era of NCAA football - well, all sports really.

I mean if Indiana can do it.........
You're absolutely right. You can't change what's happened, but you can change the trajectory of where you're headed and do everything you can to ensure the program gets back on track. The problem is; to get McIntosh to do the right thing he needs to be bombarded with the fact that they're doing the wrong thing. If fans are complacent, he'll accept what's happening as being acceptable.

When I read where McIntosh said they were going to put more money into the program, it didn't register well with me. To me, spraying a pile of cat crap with perfume doesn't change the fact of what it is. You need to clean it up to get rid of the odor.
 

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But both of them were Chryst recruits, not through Fickell.

Was thinking the same. Fickell began his head coaching job with the Badgers in 2023. Will any of his recruits, that finished their college careers at Wisconsin, be drafted? We probably won't know until this next draft and beyond, but I just don't see any players that he recruited and are still with the Badgers that jump out at me as Pro worthy.
 

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This program is becoming a dumpster fire... I feel for those poor players, watching their college careers and possibly NFL dreams going up in smoke.

I predict a mass exodus of Badgers through the Transfer Portal. This is why it is critical for McIntosh to make some wholesale changes, BEFORE the portal opens. I believe the portal opens on Jan. 2nd. The Badgers won't be playing in any bowl, so their last game and probably Fickell's as well, is Nov. 29th.
 
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I was reading a long list of "expert picks" on who will win the game between Oregon & Wisconsin this Saturday. Not one of the experts believed Wisconsin would put any points on the board and the spread was anywhere from 38-0 to 59-0. It's really pathetic when nobody believes they're capable of scoring during an entire game.

It's been a long time since we've seen Badger teams this bad. A lot of those people who are around the program they believe that if Fickell stays to the end of the year it could take up to 20 years to rebuild the program to where it was, no matter who they bring in as a replacement.

I don't think they're wrong in that respect except there are names of coaches who have the right associations in the Midwest and can lop a lot of years off that time frame.

I think about the young men they brought in last week to see the program as it works who left being more than disappointed. This has been happening every week they have home games. It's totally unacceptable.
 

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This team reminds me of the 1977 season. They got blasted by Michigan 56-0 and then got destroyed by Ohio State 42-0.

The 1977 team started the season by beating 5 cupcakes but then scored a total of 22 points in 6 straight beat downs to finish the season. At least John Jardine, the Badgers head coach had the decency to get himself fired by getting picked up for drunk driving after the last game of the season.

The Badgers have won a lot of games since Barry took over. For the 20 seasons before Barry, Bucky looked a lot like these Fickel teams. There was a stretch where the Badgers went 0-22-1. Yup, they were the worst team in the nation during that period.

For us older fans, these terrible Fickel teams remind us of our youth when the Bad-gers were complete doormats. Get used to it, because the dumpster fire of a program will take time to rebuild.
 

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I was reading a long list of "expert picks" on who will win the game between Oregon & Wisconsin this Saturday. Not one of the experts believed Wisconsin would put any points on the board and the spread was anywhere from 38-0 to 59-0. It's really pathetic when nobody believes they're capable of scoring during an entire game.

It's been a long time since we've seen Badger teams this bad. A lot of those people who are around the program they believe that if Fickell stays to the end of the year it could take up to 20 years to rebuild the program to where it was, no matter who they bring in as a replacement.

I don't think they're wrong in that respect except there are names of coaches who have the right associations in the Midwest and can lop a lot of years off that time frame.

I think about the young men they brought in last week to see the program as it works who left being more than disappointed. This has been happening every week they have home games. It's totally unacceptable.
I think the Badgers will score.
 

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While I never bet on anything that I have no control of, ie "skin in the game", I was REALLY tempted to take the Buckeyes and the -25 points odds makers were giving. As I said to a buddy the night before, "that is like they are giving away free money." Wish I had made that bet.

Anyway, I see the current spread on the Oregon game, at Oregon, is 31.5 points. That is the biggest spread against Wisconsin in at least 30 years. I am going to say it right here and now, I am a fool for not laying a big bet on Oregon to cover that spread. I think they will cover it by at least 5-20 points.

It will be another long day for Bucky. :(
 

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While I never bet on anything that I have no control of, ie "skin in the game", I was REALLY tempted to take the Buckeyes and the -25 points odds makers were giving. As I said to a buddy the night before, "that is like they are giving away free money." Wish I had made that bet.

That makes 2 of us.
 

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If you are following the FBI investigation and arrest of 34 people, called "Operation Royal Flush", this is the exact reason I will not bet on Sports!

 

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This game feels like a 45-10 game. And I don't know how they will put up the 10.

Is it odd that I'm fearful of them pulling an upset in one of these games. Guess I just don't want McIntosh or Fickell strutting around and it will just be false hope.
 

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