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2nd round pick

Discussion in '2015 Draft Archive' started by ivo610, Apr 28, 2015.

  1. ivo610

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    Who would you guys like to see for our second round pick?

    Im reading up on Carl Davis of Iowa at the moment
     
  2. thisisnate

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    Don't think our 1 will be on ILB, so that makes it top priority for round 2.
     
  3. 4foxes

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    Being a Hawkeye fan Carl Davis is a great defensive tackle, was in on a lot of tackles with a few sacks.probably won't go until second round though. Love to see him with the pack. They seen to like Iowa guys.
     
  4. tynimiller

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    Way to hard to speculate my opinion not knowing how the draft has unfolded for the second round pick...is this the 2nd round pick we have currently or the one we may gather in a trade back from our 1st...which I am sensing more and more is a possibility.
     
  5. SoonerPack

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    I too am starting to think Ted may move #30 to garner some extra picks which will most assuredly involve a 2015 2nd. I think that strategy may pay off as it appears there will be a lot of meat left on the ILB bone come the 2nd round. It all boils down to whether or not Ted is "all-in" on one certain guy (i.e. Kendricks/Anthony). If he isn't one would assume he would prefer picking up extra picks which to him are gold. My only glaring concern would be the domino effect which seems to happen every year whether it's the real NFL draft or your local fantasy football draft. Once a certain position group is drafted it seems teams hit the panic button and before you know it 3-5 guys are taken from said position group. One would think if Ted moved the first rounder he would get a pretty decently positioned 2 which would render my above statement moot. My point is when you move back you always open yourself up to missing out on multiple players that you had interest in depending on other teams boards. This is where gamesmanship comes in and you weigh the risk/reward of each deal and decide whether the risk is indeed worth the reward (this is where gray hair comes from...).

    I don't care what Ted does with the picks so long as we get a couple guys that can step in and help this season with the most glaring need being a solid ILB. I was thinking last night about the ILB debate and Sean Richardson came into my mind and hears why. If Ted and Co. feel comfortable with SR coming in more often to play LB in obvious passing situations his options at ILB would grow considerably. I am of the mindset that a true, 3 down backer is what's needed but when you look at the money they paid to keep Sean one has to wonder if they have plans to increase his workload this season which would most likely include the above. If memory serves correct he did play this role a touch last year, no? If indeed all of this is true then Ted may go after guys like Dawson and McKinney which can surely be had in the second and probably at the original position of 62 leaving the newly acquired second 2nd open for CB, DL or wherever. I sort of went sideways there so my apologies. The kid had me up most of the night and I am a touch delirious :sleep:.

    Predicting what Ted will do is one of the most pointless exercises in all of sport but that's what makes this time of the year so fun! One probably has a better chance of filling out back-to-back perfect NCAA BBall brackets than picking Ted's first 3 picks successfully. As I have documented in my time on this site I am one of the believers in Ted and have a good feeling come mid-season we will all be looking back and saluting the job he did in this years draft. Do your thing Teddy and make us all proud...and get us a stud ILB...and a nice corner...and a stout DL beast...OK, I will stop now. G P G!
     
  6. tynimiller

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    Your theory of Ted utilizing a Sean Richardson type player in a 3rd down role as ILB hybrid honestly is something my mind has visited as well. To me I say go for a 3 down guy like Kendrick or Anthony if Kendrick is gone....but if both are gone and we "settle" for Dawson, Perryman or one of the 2 down ILB which in my opinion are still a HUGE upgrade I don't see why we couldn't truly have a 3rd down ILB specialist/hybrid...is that a guy like Sean maybe, is it an athletic but not BIG LB we draft maybe...is it an athletic LB we have currently....maybe.
     
  7. Curly Calhoun

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    I tend to agree, unless someone Ted values drops that far.

    I do like Davis, though.
     
  8. SoonerPack

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    Honestly hadn't heard or read much about Davis but he is an intriguing prospect and could be a good value pick on the second day. Guys with "motor" questions concern me but you just never know how a kid will respond when he gets to the league. Everyone is different in that respect but the kid is certainly skilled and that's something you can't teach (raw, God-given talent that is). I believe if you surround him with quality guys with a strong work ethic i.e. Daniels or Peppers they can change their attitude towards the game and flick the switch which can lead them to greatness. For the life of me I just can't fathom having a lottery like chance to make a living in professional sports but not have the drive or will to be the best you can be. My only guess is that the individuals who suffer from this simply lack a true passion for their craft and if that's the case I say no thanks. Mike Mayock loved the kid after the Senior Bowl and said he brought it every snap so that is a great sign and could bode well for his future. He was given the Practice MVP at the awards ceremony for the Senior Bowl which also shows that the kid may have turned the corner.
    Please don't think I am crushing the kid as I just don't know that much about him rather the only major negative I read on him was his effort. For what it's worth I like Iowa kids and we have had some pretty good luck with them in the past (Hyde, Kampman, Bulaga, Daniels, Verba) so we will see. The more I read it appears you will have to grab this kid in the 2nd round and Mayock beleives he may even go in the 1st. Interesting.
     
  9. Clev44

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    Our old friend bedard has Davis in the first to the Packers, don't see him lasting to our second pick. Much rather take wilkerson in a trade with our first round pick then Davis if the jets would do that. Wilkerson is only 2 years older and has already proved he is a dominant NFL player. TT won't do it, but the value is there.
     
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    Only way we get an ILB we want in round 2 along with a decent CB is if we traded down.
     
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    I'd like to see Tt trade out of first round to early second. Then take ILB Clemson Stephone Anthony with first 2nd and then CB Quentin Rollins with number 62.
     
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  12. captainWIMM

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    The Packers played Richardson as a third safety last season to help defend the run. He´s not any good in coverage though so I really don´t think he would be a great fit to play linebacker in obvious passing downs.

    Davis has a ton of talent but he scares the hell out of me because of his work ethic.
     
  13. Luca

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    He is not great in coverage compared to other safeties, but he is still better in coverage than most inside linebackers.
     
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    I too think it's likely that Thompson trades back to around pick 40. That would get him 2 picks in both the second and third rounds. Having 4 of the top 100 players on his board with even the possibility of a fifth with his 4th round pick would be a nice haul for the future.
     
  15. SoonerPack

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    Dang, that was my only concern with Sean and it sounds like he's not very polished in coverage. Maybe the guy has been busting it and made some strides in that area? It has been well documented that you and I are hoping the SR debate is pointless and we end up with a ILB that can actually stay on the field for all 3 downs i.e. Kendricks (please!!!) or Anthony, which I am really growing to like the more I read/watch on him. Do the right thing Teddy, listen to WIMM and I!

    Amen on Davis. Men that size should dominate and the last thing we need is another question mark on the DLine. I am not 100% opposed to Ted drafting him just wary of the reports. Kid seems to have all the talent in the world and as I noted he worked his tail off at the Senior Bowl which shows he can bring it when he wants to and that's part of what frustrates me. Bro, you have a chance to make millions and create a legacy so why on earth would you not pour every ounce of effort into this thing?!?! If he ends up in G and G let's just hope that Senior Bowl fire still burns and the passion/effort questions never surface again! G P G!
     
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    Carl Davis will be gone by the time the Packers make their second pick. If the guy played hard every snap he could very well be the best player in this draft. Problem is that Davis disappears for long stretches.

    At the end of the second, packers should take ILB if their first pick was a different position. Otherwise I'd like to see them draft Grady Jarrett, DT from Clemson. Basically a clone of Mike Daniels. One of the best attacking DTs in college last season, great against the run and only not being looked at in the first round because he's only 6'1".
     
  17. captainWIMM

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    Jarrett is a two down player who can't rush the passer. He would be a reach in the second round.
     
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    And yet he produced more pressure per rush than Leonard Williams or Shelton....Those other two are also two down players I assume?
     
  19. captainWIMM

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    Geez, please stop putting too much emphasis into PFF's rankings. While they offer a good indicator of a player's performance taking only some tidbits of information into consideration shouldn't be the main factor in evaluating a prospect.

    In addition pressures aren't a great stat to measure the impact of a pass rusher. Jarrett had a total of 5.5 sacks over a four year career in Clemson, that's an indicator he doesn't offer a lot as a pass rusher.
     
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  20. HardRightEdge

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    Or a trade up in the second round. The Packers 3rd. round pick should yield a move up to around the #50 spot.
     
  21. Sunshinepacker

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    OK, what site should I trust? PFF tracked every pass rush for all three players. Jarrett produced more pressure per pass rush last season than either other player. Maybe you could explain to me how he did that and yet he "can't rush the passer". And it's not like Jarrett is getting credit for things the other guys aren't. All three are being held to the same "pressure" standard by PFF so all three are being measured the same way.

    And the "pressures aren't a great stat to measure" statement is ridiculous. Pressures are the BEST stat to measure. Pressures are what affect a QB. Quarterback rating drops precipitously whenever they are pressured. Ok, fine, maybe Jarrett won't get a ton of sacks. But I'll take the guy that can lower the QB's rating by 30 points 15 times more per season over the guy that gets 3 more sacks but far less pressure.

    And as for putting too much stock in PFF...maybe you can point me to another scouting service that is actually employed by NFL teams that the public has access to? I mean, I enjoy the talking bobble heads on ESPN or any of the other scouting service sites but I'll take the guys that NFL personnel people are actually paying over the guys that are trying to sell advertising.
     
  22. captainWIMM

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    It´s fine to take PFF´s rankings into consideration when evaluating a player´s performance but their stats shouldn´t be the only and most important measuring stick.

    Of course pressuring the QB is important, but I don´t put too much stock into hurries which seem to make up a high percentage of Jarrett´s total pressures as he only had 1.5 sacks last season. His career total of 5.5 tells me he´s not the best pass rusher out of the group you mentioned.
     
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  23. SoonerPack

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    At the end of the day the sacks just weren't there and that will hurt him. I am in no way saying he can't play but there is a reason Shelton and Williams are ranked so much higher and going to both end up going Top 10. Williams, for my money, is as good as Suh and could get after the QB like a witch if he were asked to. He played the 2 gap at USC and was usually asked to stop the run and keep the LB's clean and free to make plays. He has a phenomenal work ethic and if he were asked to primarily get after the QB I see no reason he couldn't be a perennial double digit sack guy. Williams is on another level and IMO shouldn't even be in this discussion. Stats are great but can also be deceiving. Game tape is my biggest ally when evaluating guys and an argument could easily be made that he should be the top pick in the draft.

    This argument is a perfect example of why the draft is just so damn fun! Subjectivity. Guy A likes this guy and doesn't think so much about the other while Guy B is standing on the hill screaming for everyone to respect and value the player who many feel is decent but not great. How many times did you see him play? What stats are more important to YOU or should I say which stats do we cherrypick to make our argument more valid is the real question...we are all guilty of it! :) I am not taking sides on this one rather throwing my undying belief in LW out there to state that he is a beast and clearly ahead of the 2 others involved in this discussion. If Jarrett ends up being Mike Daniels 2.0 then kudos to him and whichever team gets him will be more than pleased. Also, WIMM will have to tip his hat to you for the prediction. If he ends up being a run stopper who gets removed from the field on 3rd down then you sir will be doing the hat tipping. Predictions are like A-Holes and you know how that goes. THAT, to me, is what makes the draft process so fun for us fans. We all have these "hidden gems" that we want to get the word out on and will argue tooth and nail to make others understand just how special this kid is going to be...allegedly!

    Now let's all enjoy our day and get ready for hours of anticipation only to have Teddy trade us out of the first so we can prolong the agonizing wait for yet another day! Hahaha G P G!!
     
  24. Joe Nor Cal Packer

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    You've got it nailed. In any order, Ted please get us 2 or 3 down ILB, CB, and DL. I think the top corners are gone at 30, and all ILBs are second round value. A lot of good DLs though, so if Ted stays with #30, my money is on a DL.
     
  25. Sunshinepacker

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    My money is on everyone waiting for three hours to find out that the Packers just traded into the second round so some team could grab Bryce Petty....
     
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