2024 3rd round #88 MarShawn Lloyd RB

[Pokerbrat2000]

Truthfully yes, I believe the film backs this up as well. I would say now, rewind two or three seasons perhaps not.

I believe Dillon is a better player than what we saw in 2023. I know I am someone who has talked about the possibility of him not being on the team, but I think I put those odds somewhere around 25% when I did. The Packers didn't resign Dillon because they think he will be the 2023 Dillon, they resigned him because they know he can be better. If nothing else, Dillon's off year was the Packers gain. Had AJ played a lot better in 2023, he's signing a bigger contract, with another team.

Gute has done a good job this season in making moves that motivate others to get better, Dillon is one of those players with plenty of motivation to improve.

 

[thequick12]

Ok...Id really like that then. He's definitely a really good rb3. If he can be a really good fb1 that would really help the team and perhaps save a roster spot

Also always great to have a guy who truly wants to be there, beyond the job!

 

[Schultz]

IMO his familiarity with the system compared to the other backs on the team will make it extremely hard to trade or let him go. IMO.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Not necessarily...Green Bay is not the youngest team in the NFL by accident. They love youth, and they love rookie contracts. They likely also want the 3rd RB to contribute on special teams.

I believe Dillon has to be clearly superior to Wilson to get that job. If they're even, Dillon is likely the odd man out.

Time will tell.

You do know Dillon is only 1 year older than Wilson, right? Another thing GB likes is bargains. And AJ is a bargain. They also like positive presence in the locker room and he brings that. I also think you have it backwards. Wilson will have to be clearly better than Dillon. Like I said. He's a guy you can keep fresh and ready to pick up the tough yard. Wilson's definitely not that guy.

 

[OldSchool101]

One of the primary components of player personnel decisions will always be financial cost. It’s not the only factor but it’s a formidable motivator to retain or remove a player from the equation.

A player will never be deemed a good Value addition by a GM until his Benefits (contributions) exceeds his Cost

That said if we all listed the positives and negatives impact for AJ Dillon and then applied them to his cost? Imo he scores good on that chart. I personally believe he’s of great value at his current cost.

 

[OldSchool101]

I believe Dillon is a better player than what we saw in 2023. I know I am someone who has talked about the possibility of him not being on the team, but I think I put those odds somewhere around 25% when I did. The Packers didn't resign Dillon because they think he will be the 2023 Dillon, they resigned him because they know he can be better. If nothing else, Dillon's off year was the Packers gain. Had AJ played a lot better in 2023, he's signing a bigger contract, with another team.

Gute has done a good job this season in making moves that motivate others to get better, Dillon is one of those players with plenty of motivation to improve.

Yes. We’ve seen enough of Dillon to know his ceiling and floor. Also what play design puts him in a position for success.
I love him for short yardage. I love him in space in the short passing game. I would also agree he’s at least an average + blocker. He’s also proven worthy in cold weather and against elevated Level Defenses in post season. Generally reliable
His fumble % is near non existent compared to his peers etc ..etc.

What we also learned is he’s not a RB1 type Back. He’s a North South Power Runner, but with a + ability of delicate hands for a big man.
He’s best used as a compliment or change up or situational piece. Marshawn Lloyd and Brandon Jacobs ensure he doesn’t need to be our feature RB.
IMO he’s also very good in space in the passing game. That makes him like a Pseudo Option at TE. I still think he has untapped potential in the short passing game. He’s not a player you are eager to square up on to tackle given any momentum in space. Shoulder tackles are almost ineffective and short arms on those legs are detrimental. You ideally want him to be given opportunities past the front 4 Defenders to capitalize on his size.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That said if we all listed the positives and negatives impact for AJ Dillon and then applied them to his cost? Imo he scores good on that chart. I personally believe he’s of great value at his current cost.

I agree. However, he scores well enough to be a Packer, until someone else, scores better. This is the only situation that I envision happening, that would make Dillon expendable. I guess that goes for pretty much anyone that isn't a starter and has a contract that exceeds enough players above him on the depth chart.

 

[gopkrs]

I'm looking forward to see Wilson get some chances early. I just hope they don't put him behind a makeshift O line.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm looking forward to see Wilson get some chances early. I just hope they don't put him behind a makeshift O line.

In the preseason? That is a bit hard to avoid, especially with a rookie RB that the Packers spent a 3rd round pick on and will want to see in all sorts of situations. Not to mention that Jacobs will need some work with the starters and with all the new OL players, we will see lots of rotations.

Guessing Wilson will get extensive work in the preseason, after the 1st few series and we see pretty much the same RB as last year.

- 3 Preseason games
- 38 rushing attempts
- 223 yds
- 5.9 yds/carry
- 2 TD's
- longest run: 80 yds.

I guess I am missing something, why are people so excited about Wilson? Was it his 80 yard run in preseason?

 

[gopkrs]

- 3 Preseason games
- 38 rushing attempts
- 223 yds
- 5.9 yds/carry
- 2 TD's
- longest run: 80 yds.

Those are pretty good stats.

 

[tynimiller]

In the preseason? That is a bit hard to avoid, especially with a rookie RB that the Packers spent a 3rd round pick on and will want to see in all sorts of situations. Not to mention that Jacobs will need some work with the starters and with all the new OL players, we will see lots of rotations.

Guessing Wilson will get extensive work in the preseason, after the 1st few series and we see pretty much the same RB as last year.

- 3 Preseason games
- 38 rushing attempts
- 223 yds
- 5.9 yds/carry
- 2 TD's
- longest run: 80 yds.

I guess I am missing something, why are people so excited about Wilson? Was it his 80 yard run in preseason?

For me it was his read and react and ability to somehow slip outside and create a seam along the edge at times that was special.

Statwise...
Also those stats are freaking good truthfully in the preseason but it wasn't just his preseason.
As the clear #3 he still put up 85 yards on 14 attempts for 6.07 YPC in the regular season.
But what I loved the most was in the playoffs he looked just as good as he did in the preseason IMO...and some of his stats for the postseason got burned down in junk time vs Dallas when everyone knew they were running the ball...but even the SF game he found space against a solid front and the one passing target he got he did great with.

Some guys don't look overwhelmed and that's part of the battle for a prospect...Wilson has that checked. Now it is merely is there growth to occur or is he just that mature young prospect that never regresses or get better.....ala IMO a Patrick Taylor.

 

[Krabs]

For me it was his read and react and ability to somehow slip outside and create a seam along the edge at times that was special.

Statwise...
Also those stats are freaking good truthfully in the preseason but it wasn't just his preseason.
As the clear #3 he still put up 85 yards on 14 attempts for 6.07 YPC in the regular season.
But what I loved the most was in the playoffs he looked just as good as he did in the preseason IMO...and some of his stats for the postseason got burned down in junk time vs Dallas when everyone knew they were running the ball...but even the SF game he found space against a solid front and the one passing target he got he did great with.

Some guys don't look overwhelmed and that's part of the battle for a prospect...Wilson has that checked. Now it is merely is there growth to occur or is he just that mature young prospect that never regresses or get better.....ala IMO a Patrick Taylor.

I personally don't see it. To me, he was just a jersey filler. Patrick Taylor is probably the perfect comp for him. Even with injuries to Jones he couldn't sniff the field. To you point, he had a total of 14 regular season carries. One would think that even sitting behind Dillon and Taylor you would get more than that if you were good. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he were cut this training cap. Not that 25 is old, but in NFL terms at RB is is starting to be mid career. Those D2 guys don't leave early, so I get it. Look at Taylor, he's 26 and has basically had his career. I think Wilson is a long shot.

Jacobs, Lloyd, and Dillon I think are all no brainers. I know there's discussion on Dillon being cut, but that would surprise me. Then they brought in Jarveon Howard out of Alcorn State. Yes, he's an unheard of guy, but in comparison to Wilson he has a shot to beat him out. He's younger and size wise is comparable to Jacobs and Lloyd. Meaning, that's the type of back that the Packers like. His RAS score is 7.39 compared to 6.83 of Wilson. With that said, I think they will kick the tires on some other backs as well. That was just for comparisons sake.

Exciting stuff to discuss. I'm looking forward to training camp. GPG

 

[tynimiller]

I personally don't see it. To me, he was just a jersey filler. Patrick Taylor is probably the perfect comp for him. Even with injuries to Jones he couldn't sniff the field. To you point, he had a total of 14 regular season carries. One would think that even sitting behind Dillon and Taylor you would get more than that if you were good. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he were cut this training cap. Not that 25 is old, but in NFL terms at RB is is starting to be mid career. Those D2 guys don't leave early, so I get it. Look at Taylor, he's 26 and has basically had his career. I think Wilson is a long shot.

Jacobs, Lloyd, and Dillon I think are all no brainers. I know there's discussion on Dillon being cut, but that would surprise me. Then they brought in Jarveon Howard out of Alcorn State. Yes, he's an unheard of guy, but in comparison to Wilson he has a shot to beat him out. He's younger and size wise is comparable to Jacobs and Lloyd. Meaning, that's the type of back that the Packers like. His RAS score is 7.39 compared to 6.83 of Wilson. With that said, I think they will kick the tires on some other backs as well. That was just for comparisons sake.

Exciting stuff to discuss. I'm looking forward to training camp. GPG

After just one season to lock in a comp of a guy that's just not appropriate in my opinion. Also I wouldn't honestly expect a RB3 behind two for sure guys ahead of him to only get 20-30 or so carries in a season unless a massive injury issue happened. Also you have to remember Patrick Taylor understood and knew the offense immensely better and is why he got over 30 snaps where Wilson did not and truthfully year 1 no one is surprised at that.

Wilson is either a Patrick Taylor or more - small school guy that showed no flinch in year one - a TON is going to be known this year about him. If the game slowed down even more, if he got his body refined even more, if he shows an even more fluid ability to block, read, set up defenders he for sure will continue to hold a spot and the Taylor comp will be a thing of the past. It's about as justified as any person on the roster right now to say it truly is a coin flip year for him.

Jarveon is a PS guy in year one, and is quite similar to Wilson from the expectations in year one. Wilson showcased far more than anyone thought he would in year one, and I know for a fact the staff knew likely would be nabbed by another team if not part of the initial 53. That alone for me shows that football people see it in him, it was for sure utterly raw back in year one - but you could for sure see it in his cuts, his body control, balance and ability to digest the attackers. To me Wilson's biggest hurdles are maturation of all the little things a RB has to be able to do; block, know positioning, route spacing when needed and things like that PLUS just his physical make up ceiling. I know he's been working a LOT on his burst this off season, he's never going to be a LONG speed type guy (neither is Jacobs), but that burst is what sets a defender route off a foot and sometimes you get that foot is the difference between a 3 yard gainer vs a 10+ first down run.

If he doesn't illustrate an ability in year two to mature inside the offensive role of his position and have pushed his physical ceiling a touch higher - there is a good chance they test the risk of not making him part of the 53 in hopes of PS. I however STRONGLY bet we keep four with Dillon being that Deguara type role often at times in the game...and being a FB/RB positional value guy.

 

[Krabs]

After just one season to lock in a comp of a guy that's just not appropriate in my opinion. Also I wouldn't honestly expect a RB3 behind two for sure guys ahead of him to get more than 20-30 or so carries in a season unless a massive injury issue happened. Also you have to remember Patrick Taylor understood and knew the offense immensely better and is why he got over 30 snaps where Wilson did not and truthfully year 1 no one is surprised at that.

Like I said, there was a big injury in Aaron Jones and he didn't sniff the field. Sure, Taylor knew the offense better but as a RB there's plenty of guys that "run to daylight". If he was better than Taylor he would have played ahead of him.

Wilson is either a Patrick Taylor or more - small school guy that showed no flinch in year one - a TON is going to be known this year about him. If the game slowed down even more, if he got his body refined even more, if he shows an even more fluid ability to block, read, set up defenders he for sure will continue to hold a spot and the Taylor comp will be a thing of the past. It's about as justified as any person on the roster right now to say it truly is a coin flip year for him.

Jarveon is a PS guy in year one, and is quite similar to Wilson from the expectations in year one. Wilson showcased far more than anyone thought he would in year one, and I know for a fact the staff knew likely would be nabbed by another team if not part of the initial 53. That alone for me shows that football people see it in him, it was for sure utterly raw back in year one - but you could for sure see it in his cuts, his body control, balance and ability to digest the attackers. To me Wilson's biggest hurdles are maturation of all the little things a RB has to be able to do; block, know positioning, route spacing when needed and things like that PLUS just his physical make up ceiling. I know he's been working a LOT on his burst this off season, he's never going to be a LONG speed type guy (neither is Jacobs), but that burst is what sets a defender route off a foot and sometimes you get that foot is the difference between a 3 yard gainer vs a 10+ first down run.

I'm not sure about holding him onto the 53. I mean, he did get cut by the Broncos.

If he doesn't illustrate an ability in year two to mature inside the offensive role of his position and have pushed his physical ceiling a touch higher - there is a good chance they test the risk of not making him part of the 53 in hopes of PS. I however STRONGLY bet we keep four with Dillon being that Deguara type role often at times in the game...and being a FB/RB positional value guy.

I don't disagree with most of your opinion. I'm not a believer in Wilson. I have a feeling he is a cut. However, I would be excited if he did take that next step as a RB. The Pack would have a pretty solid backfield if he progresses. Most teams do still keep four RBs on the roster. With a year in he does have a shot. I just think there are better options out there. It would be cool if he proved me wrong. I've got plenty of crow in the freezer to thaw out just for these types of conversations.

 

[tynimiller]

Like I said, there was a big injury in Aaron Jones and he didn't sniff the field. Sure, Taylor knew the offense better but as a RB there's plenty of guys that "run to daylight". If he was better than Taylor he would have played ahead of him.

I'm not sure about holding him onto the 53. I mean, he did get cut by the Broncos.

I don't disagree with most of your opinion. I'm not a believer in Wilson. I have a feeling he is a cut. However, I would be excited if he did take that next step as a RB. The Pack would have a pretty solid backfield if he progresses. Most teams do still keep four RBs on the roster. With a year in he does have a shot. I just think there are better options out there. It would be cool if he proved me wrong. I've got plenty of crow in the freezer to thaw out just for these types of conversations.

I don't think anyone thought last year he was more ready for the offense than Taylor was however - if I made it seem so that was my fault as that was never the intent.

He was released from the Broncos after rookie minicamp - UDFAs from a small school, we aren't talking about anything more than that.

Presently he is the clear RB4 on our roster, unless we bring someone else in as Jarveon is way to raw to say he's better than really any second year guy that was on an NFL roster the previous year IMO.

 

[OldSchool101]

It’s been a minute since we selected Marshawn Lloyd. I selected him with our 4th Round pick in the Amish Draft because, after reading up on him, I like he was a 3 Down RB who can be effective in the short passing game.
I probably had him in that 6-8th best RB in the 2024 draft class initially or up until around draft day.
Many Draft boards had J Brooks, Will Shipley, Trey Benson, Blake Corum, Braelon, Bucky, Jaylon, Estime etc. at least even to way out in front of Lloyd. But there were 12 Senior Bowl invitees. These are typically guys who they suspect will have at least a shot to make that Day1-2 Spotlight.

According to Jim Nagy Lloyd was the #1 RB at the Senior Bowl. Many of you know of his ties to the Packers, Redskins, Seattle, Patriots and Chiefs. He is now the Director of Senior Bowl and has extensive experience in player evaluation across 2 decades. He said he “wouldn’t have been shocked to see Marshawn as a later Day1-early Day2 selection” Obviously he recognized the devaluation at the RB position in general, so he understands why he didn’t get selected until Rd3. He had him as the Top RB in this draft. While I still think Marshawn grades better than I initially thought, now 3-5th best among this grouping.. it goes to show you Marshawn is projected by those who intricately watch these guys to be a legit Starting caliber RB1.

Imo We got ourselves a RB who possesses a Medium high floor to very high ceiling sitting in the shadows. Be watching him closely because I think The Packers had Lloyd in that later Rd2 realm (call it top 50-60 area overall). Marshawn was a no brainer selection at #88 overall and I think he would’ve been the preferred pick over Blake Corum (#83 overall)
Lloyd was likely more in that Jonathon Brooks (#46)-Trey Benson (#66) Top 3 overall RB grouping or squarely at Round 2 grade. He’s a legit, 3-Down RB with the combo of elite Contact balance and semi-elite Breakaway ability that will punish teams both on the ground and through the air.

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[gopkrs]

I don't know if he actually has a fumbling problem. But if he does; he won't have a medium high floor.

 

[OldSchool101]

I don't know if he actually has a fumbling problem. But if he does; he won't have a medium high floor.

Thats a good point though. Lets ask the question. So that begs the question here.
Does a QB (or RB) from college have his NFL career defined by INT or Fumbles in college? I’d argue no with rare exception.

We have a really good example that is close to home (this isn’t in reference to you personally you supported Love and I remember it specifically, but it was a frequent debate in here)

When Jordan love was drafted we had a debate because he threw 17 INT in his last college season. If I’m not mistaken he led ALL FBS QB’s in INT This debate went all the way into his first start after K.C. almost ad nauseam by several other posters. By the time Love played the Eagles in his second start? I noticed the target got moved. The fact he threw TD’s but not INT suddenly waned.. instead it was “he can’t play against stacked boxes”. Like where does that even come from! Lol. I know the answer now so no need to guess for me.

We have come a long ways and I don’t see so much as 1 person referencing Love as the leagues worst turnover machine. Actually if I’m not mistaken he finished his first season pretty darn good at INT ratio overall. INT to QB’s is like FUMBLES to a RB. It’s a correctable problem. It’s also highly likely that the Packers not only are aware of his issue.. they will take extra measures to fix it.

For the record Marshawn had 4 fumbles in 2023 and Braelon Allen 4.

The only other season I saw he had (3) multiple was 2021 when he just got on the field. When a RB has limited Touches across a college career like Lloyd those numbers get dynamic good or bad. He also has the most YAC in college for similar reasons.

I’ll tell you who fumbles quite a bit. Caleb Williams (8) just last season alone and no one is even talking about it.

 

[thequick12]

Bros gonna be good, Ive got a feeling...fumbles will not be an issue. I was upset about aaron jones but I will say this rb room is gonna be diverse and legit

 

[OldSchool101]

Bros gonna be good, Ive got a feeling...fumbles will not be an issue. I was upset about aaron jones but I will say this rb room is gonna be diverse and legit

Yeah I get that, I think many of us in here agree you can’t beat the total package that #33 brought.
I’m not privy to what happened there other than we tend to move on from that position around 30 years old. I think GB was in talks with Jacobs behind the scenes as a future solution for resetting the RB age clock several seasons. It gave us continued legitimacy at RB with a similarly talented player that’s several years younger. Now Aaron Jones might defy the odds, but the odds still say a 30yr old RB is at “trending down” stage at RB and particularly in regard to injury.

My guess is moving on from #33 was a plan to extend our RB room several seasons or until we found a draft pick (such as Lloyd) who might take the reigns as our successor for the next 5+ seasons.

 

[gopkrs]

I would have liked to have Jones as our 2nd back and insurance but 4 fumbles in 2023 does not sound like a fumbling machine. I wonder why a bunch of posters brought it up when we drafted him. I certainly think RB a strength.

 

[Krabs]

I would have liked to have Jones as our 2nd back and insurance but 4 fumbles in 2023 does not sound like a fumbling machine. I wonder why a bunch of posters brought it up when we drafted him. I certainly think RB a strength.

I think it was brought up because that's what the talking heads were saying. I've never seen him play beyond highlights. I think by the end of the season he will have surpassed Dillon and will be our #2 back.

 

[Krabs]

Yeah I get that, I think many of us in here agree you can’t beat the total package that #33 brought.
I’m not privy to what happened there other than we tend to move on from that position around 30 years old. I think GB was in talks with Jacobs behind the scenes as a future solution for resetting the RB age clock several seasons. It gave us continued legitimacy at RB with a similarly talented player that’s several years younger. Now Aaron Jones might defy the odds, but the odds still say a 30yr old RB is at “trending down” stage at RB and particularly in regard to injury.

My guess is moving on from #33 was a plan to extend our RB room several seasons or until we found a draft pick (such as Lloyd) who might take the reigns as our successor for the next 5+ seasons.

Jones contract was such that he would have been one of the highest paid RBs in the league. I want to say it was around the $17 million mark. They just were not going to pay him that. Jones refused a pay cut, so the Packers moved on. I really believe the plan was to move forward with Jones. When he stood firm on his contract, which is his right, they pretty much had to cut him. It did end up costing the Packers $12 million in dead money. I believe it would have ultimately been Jones last year in Green Bay anyway. At the end of the day, Jones got paid $1 million more from MN than GB. They Packers got better and younger at RB. I think it was the right move by the Packers.

 

[tynimiller]

I would have liked to have Jones as our 2nd back and insurance but 4 fumbles in 2023 does not sound like a fumbling machine. I wonder why a bunch of posters brought it up when we drafted him. I certainly think RB a strength.

His best season in college he had 3 fumbles. It really is the only flag about it that is burnt orange and not yellow....not quite red IMO but that is a consistent ball security issue IMO.

You play what ten games or so a season in college...and end of games he no doubt had some where he is double arming time killing running which don't count...but to have 3, 3 and 4 fumbles is a consistent ball security issue.

I however think like with Aaron, a fumble here or there at the cost of being an electric type runner is worth it.

 

[gopkrs]

Jones contract was such that he would have been one of the highest paid RBs in the league. I want to say it was around the $17 million mark. They just were not going to pay him that. Jones refused a pay cut, so the Packers moved on. I really believe the plan was to move forward with Jones. When he stood firm on his contract, which is his right, they pretty much had to cut him. It did end up costing the Packers $12 million in dead money. I believe it would have ultimately been Jones last year in Green Bay anyway. At the end of the day, Jones got paid $1 million more from MN than GB. They Packers got better and younger at RB. I think it was the right move by the Packers.

I don't know but my guess it was a first offer. Aaron had no idea it was the only offer. I don't think he ever expected to play on the then current contract jmho. I think he would have stayed for just a little more than what the vikings paid him. He really is a game buster. Just look at the difference between his yards per carry vs. Jacobs. And not just last year. Aaron broke plays for long runs. That is probably the difference in ypc.