2018 preseason game 2 - Steelers

[Mondio]

I think Kizer improved from Family night to Titans and then again from Titans to Steelers. That's a good trajectory Hundley has been doing well too. Rodgers, backup TBD and a PS QB are ideal, but if Hundley shows he learned from last year and keeps playing at this level in the preseason against higher levels of competition there's a good chance he and Kizer are here. Unless Kizer shows he's absolutely the man before the preseason ends. thus far, I can see the potential, but I still think Hundley is ahead of him simply because he knows more in this system.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I think Kizer improved from Family night to Titans and then again from Titans to Steelers. That's a good trajectory Hundley has been doing well too. Rodgers, backup TBD and a PS QB are ideal, but if Hundley shows he learned from last year and keeps playing at this level in the preseason against higher levels of competition there's a good chance he and Kizer are here. Unless Kizer shows he's absolutely the man before the preseason ends. thus far, I can see the potential, but I still think Hundley is ahead of him simply because he knows more in this system.

Disagree. He only looks good against vanilla preseason defenses the way he always has. As soon as he gets schemed on, old bad stinko deer in the headlights comes back. I say Kizer has a better release and better pocket presence.

 

[Mondio]

He has better pocket presence not even going to attempt to argue Hundley has that. For all the knocks against Hundley and his accuracy, he's been more accurate than Kizer thus far and Kizer hasn't been schemed against either. On top of that he's been playing against even lesser opponents than Hundley. Both guys are looking good for where I'd think they should be right now. Kizer has a lot to learn, I expect him to overtake Hundley, but so far, he hasn't. They're changing some mechanics of his I read and a new system and coaches. This competition isn't over. It is to you, because you have made your hate of Hundley well known. Subtlety is not your specialty But I'd say the play on the field so far still has Hundley as #2 for now.

 

[GBkrzygrl]

Regarding the lack of catches by the rookie WR, it looked to me that the TE's were targeted more than the WR. Yes, I know that Kumerow had that great catch and run for a TD, but is it possible the coaches wanted to see what the TE's could do?

 

[AKCheese]

We’ve all seen what Hundley can do with years of coaching/grooming. He’s a #3 QB on a team while they look for a valid PROSPECT to fill that role.... the big question to me for Green Bay is.... how does he handle that demotion if we decide to keep him here.

 

[Dantés]

I think Kizer improved from Family night to Titans and then again from Titans to Steelers. That's a good trajectory Hundley has been doing well too. Rodgers, backup TBD and a PS QB are ideal, but if Hundley shows he learned from last year and keeps playing at this level in the preseason against higher levels of competition there's a good chance he and Kizer are here. Unless Kizer shows he's absolutely the man before the preseason ends. thus far, I can see the potential, but I still think Hundley is ahead of him simply because he knows more in this system.

It's going to be a tough call for the front office. In addition to Kizer's progress, pressure at other positions will influence what they decide to do. Hundley would seem to be better prepared to execute the offense, but it's easy to see how much more upside is there for Kizer. If Kizer has another strong game in week three, perhaps they will be content to keep him, cut Hundley, and stash Boyle on the practice squad.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I would take his comment to mean he has a lot of potential and worthy of a high pick. I see no problem with keeping players who have a very high potential if they are being outplayed by players who have reached their ceiling. Not a lot of players are NFL ready products when they are rookies..

I don't mind keeping a player based on potential over another one who has topped out either but making roster decisions solely dependent on draft position wouldn't be a smart way to handle it.

Regarding the lack of catches by the rookie WR, it looked to me that the TE's were targeted more than the WR. Yes, I know that Kumerow had that great catch and run for a TD, but is it possible the coaches wanted to see what the TE's could do?

Tight ends received nine of 32 (28.1%) targets vs. the Steelers which is up from last season's number (16.9%). It might be interesting to see if that continues during the regular season.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Tight ends received nine of 32 (28.1%) targets vs. the Steelers which is up from last season's number (16.9%). It might be interesting to see if that continues during the regular season.

Finley's target high water marks were in 2011 and 2012, 93 and 88 regualar season targets, respectively, with 16 games played in both seasons.

2012 may be the best analogue. While Jennings missed 8 games and Nelson missed 4, Jones and Driver had 111 targets combined to pick up the slack. Cobb was a rookie and got little attention with 31 targets. It kind of equates to this seasons's #3 WR situation which is short on productivity (Allison) and experience (everybody else). In 2012, the high target guys were the two wideouts, whoever they might be on a particular day with the injuries, plus Finley. This year, there's Adams, Cobb and Graham as the presumptive high target guys.

So, can you scrounge up a TE target rate for that 2012 season?

We might have to take that number and adjust it up a bit since Finley had a 63% snap count for that regular season while the backups (Crabtree, Williams, Taylor and Quarless) got a grand total of 17 targets. Today's bench is a significant upgrade over that crew and will likely draw more than that 17 figure.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I think the telling story on what the Packers are going to do with Hundley will play out over the next 2 preseason games. Unless the Packers are "shopping Hundley", he won't get much playing time if the plan is to release him, same for Kizer. Or maybe they don't have a plan just yet. I don't think either are going to win many games in 2018 if they have to play, so why keep them both? For my money, you keep Kizer for his potential and let Hundley walk a year earlier than his contract ends, put Boyle on the PS and save the roster spot for someone else.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

If you want to follow the New England blueprint, you keep both Hundley an Kizer, and wait for some team to lose it's starting QB and become desperate. That's a good time to make a trade.

In the meantime, you keep Boyle handy on the PS.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

If you want to follow the New England blueprint, you keep both Hundley an Kizer, and wait for some team to lose it's starting QB and become desperate. That's a good time to make a trade.

Hundley doesn't have any trade value though. While Kizer might fetch something in return teams won't overpay for him either.