2017. Peppers or no Peppers?

[Deleted member 6794]

we have to keep at least one of our 3, right? I assume between Perry, Jones, and Peppers, we have our future starter in 2017? Maybe its Elliot? Could we give him a raise, which is in our budget, and trust he can produce as a starter?

If Perry gets 5 mil on a prove it deal...... And he proves it....... He could be closer to 10mil/yr I bet. Being a 1st rounder and all... When you figure in we have our LT looking to get a huge payday, I think that prices Perry out of town, even if he is the best option...

If Peppers wants to play past 2016. Plays great in 2016. and still wants 10mil/yr......... Then he is priced out of town too...IMO

Datone Jones.... I see him as more of a specialist, than Peppers is. As in he can not do what Peppers does as a whole. But he can do some of it.... Thats not very valuable to me. And unless he proves he can do more from the position, I dont see us giving him a large mid-sized contract along with trusting him to start....

Elliot might be the answer? Give the undrafted rookie a big pay raise, and he still fits the budget. He has very good pass rush ability, IMO. But can he stay healthy? All considered, he might be the answer.....And then add rookies for depth.

Actually I guess it´s probable the Packers will start their 2017 first round pick at outside linebacker opposite Matthews.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Actually I guess it´s probable the Packers will start their 2017 first round pick at outside linebacker opposite Matthews.

I dont like our odds picking a starter quality OLB picking #32nd..............



And I hate to be the pessimist about this. But I seen too many rookies either (#1) find out they are not able to dominate like in school, and flounder mentally. Or (#2) They come out trying too hard and sacrifice the body to the point of break down.......... We need to have a very good plan B, if starting a rookie OLB is plan A. IMO

 

[Snoops]

If worse case scenario peppers is gone and what if our new lbs turns out to be the next great one like clay Matthews or anybody.. I like Elliot's Rush has something to prove but to knock on guys that hasn't even played yet... Come on man look at mike Daniels 4th round I don't wanna hear one person tell me they knew he was gonna be great.. May take time to develop who knows... Just sit back and see what happens only time will tell....

 

[Snoops]

I also believe lacy is gonna be gone after this yr too..

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I dont like our odds picking a starter quality OLB picking #32nd..............



And I hate to be the pessimist about this. But I seen too many rookies either (#1) find out they are not able to dominate like in school, and flounder mentally. Or (#2) They come out trying too hard and sacrifice the body to the point of break down.......... We need to have a very good plan B, if starting a rookie OLB is plan A. IMO

I don´t like the idea either but unfortunately the Packers most likely will have to rely on a rookie starting opposite of Matthews in 2017.

If worse case scenario peppers is gone and what if our new lbs turns out to be the next great one like clay Matthews or anybody.. I like Elliot's Rush has something to prove but to knock on guys that hasn't even played yet... Come on man look at mike Daniels 4th round I don't wanna hear one person tell me they knew he was gonna be great.. May take time to develop who knows... Just sit back and see what happens only time will tell....

It´s possible but highly unlikely that Elliott or Fackrell end up being solid starters at outside linebacker but relying on the fifth and sixth player on the depth chart to be able to do it is a terrible idea.

 

[sschind]

Actually I guess it´s probable the Packers will start their 2017 first round pick at outside linebacker opposite Matthews.

Only if Ted drafts for need.

 

[PackerDNA]

IMO, this is Peppers last season; all out for the ring, or give up the ghost.

 

[Mondio]

I don't think Peppers is back. He's either going to play really well, and will get too much money, or he'll be in decline, in which case we're not going to invest any more money in him. I don't see any way he's back unless it is just because he thinks this is his best chance and signs a significantly smaller contract, and with all the FA's with a lot of years ahead of them yet, I don't see a high likelihood we invest any more money in Peppers.

 

[easyk83]

I think it's a Catch-22 with Peppers right now. If he doesn't play well, you may as well let him walk. If he plays well, we won't be able to afford him another year. Just too many other upcoming holes to fill and some questionable contracts this offseason have left us without much flexibility beyond what we can already plan for.

If we're competitive he'll probably restructure for another shot at winning the big one.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

If we're competitive he'll probably restructure for another shot at winning the big one.

Peppers will become a free agent after this season so he would have to sign a new contract to be back with the Packers. He would have to agree to a significant pay cut for that to happen.

 

[armand34]

All this Peppers talk is just one of many examples that post 2016, there will be a lot of churning of this roster, it's going to be a little upsetting to see the change (whatever it may be) going into the 2017 off season.

 

[PackerDNA]

All this Peppers talk is just one of many examples that post 2016, there will be a lot of churning of this roster, it's going to be a little upsetting to see the change (whatever it may be) going into the 2017 off season.

Natural progression. After 2010, the team had put together the core group they felt could win more titles. It's 6 years later, and the run for that core group is coming to an end. Age and the salary cap will get you every time.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Natural progression. After 2010, the team had put together the core group they felt could win more titles. It's 6 years later, and the run for that core group is coming to an end. Age and the salary cap will get you every time.

That's why it is important to add elite players from time to time. Aside of Daniels and possibly Clinton-Dix that hasn't happened for the Packers over the last six years though.

 

[Sky King]

Provided Peppers has another fine year in 2016 and, most importantly, that his potential replacement(s) are not quite developed satisfactorily enough to supplant him as a starter or role player(s) in 2017, then there's still an outside chance that the Packers may offer him a contract. It should be a balancing act on both sides to match pay versus performance. We'll just have to enjoy the ride as we observe what eventually transpires. My first choice would be that Peppers retires from the Packers with a SB ring on his finger.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Provided Peppers has another fine year in 2016 and, most importantly, that his potential replacement(s) are not quite developed satisfactorily enough to supplant him as a starter or role player(s) in 2017, then there's still an outside chance that the Packers may offer him a contract. It should be a balancing act on both sides to match pay versus performance.

Once again, I'm not opposed to re-signing Peppers next offseason if he continues to perform on a high level in 2016. The Packers will have a hard time making it work with the salary cap though.

 

[Packers907]

I thought I had read somewhere that they planned on using Peppers in a limited roll this upcoming year. Guessing that might have been another guesstimate?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I thought I had read somewhere that they planned on using Peppers in a limited roll this upcoming year. Guessing that might have been another guesstimate?

I'm convinced the Packers will start Peppers at one of the outside linebacker spots but will watch his snap count, especially early in the season.

 

[armand34]

Natural progression. After 2010, the team had put together the core group they felt could win more titles. It's 6 years later, and the run for that core group is coming to an end. Age and the salary cap will get you every time.

who said 2010??? I said after 2016 and mentioned Peppers, whom also has nothing to do w/ 2010. In fact there's like 6 members left or less from 2010 currently on the roster. So, what point are you trying to make with me?

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

I am guessing that Peppers still has a couple of gallons left in the tank, or at least I hope so. He seems to bring a good attitude and experience to the team. Thank you Chicago, by the way, how did the purple people eater work out for you?
DS

 

[PikeBadger]

All this Peppers talk is just one of many examples that post 2016, there will be a lot of churning of this roster, it's going to be a little upsetting to see the change (whatever it may be) going into the 2017 off season.

I feel just the opposite. I'm looking forward to see how mgmt replaces some of the older vets. We've got a pretty sizeable stash of 2-3 yr players who I will be looking forward to see in starting roles.

 

[gemoran4]

I think Peppers is gone after the year and I wouldn't be shocked if he retired. The guy is going on 37, and this is around the time we moved on from Charles Woodson (though maybe not the best example given how our safeties played the year after he left).

As for Perry and Jones, I'd love to see them work out but unless one of them blows up next year I'm not exactly losing sleep over the thought of losing either or both of them.

My prediction is, we bring one of Perry or Jones back (my money is on Perry if he can build off his performance in the playoffs last season). We still have Matthews, and Fackrell who we drafted in the 3rd this year. Our 4th guy is probably a rookie or maybe Elliott if he's still around. It's not a great group, but i think it'll be serviceable for a year assuming Matthews stays healthy and Fackrell turns out to be at least somewhat useful.

 

[armand34]

I feel just the opposite. I'm looking forward to see how mgmt replaces some of the older vets. We've got a pretty sizeable stash of 2-3 yr players who I will be looking forward to see in starting roles.

I'm really referring to our aging favorites

Sitton 31ish
Jordy 31
Clay 30
Sam shields 28ish (expensive)

Going to be hard to see them go when that day comes, way worse then seeing Kuhn, imo.

And then our potentially expensive younger favs

Haha 24ish
Eddie 25ish
Bahk 25ish
Perry* 26ish (really shined in the post season)



I am going to be upset when Jordy gets out, he is 31, how much longer does he got?

 

[PikeBadger]

I'm really referring to our aging favorites

Sitton 31ish
Jordy 31
Clay 30
Sam shields 28ish (expensive)

Going to be hard to see them go when that day comes, way worse then seeing Kuhn, imo.

And then our potentially expensive younger favs

Haha 24ish
Eddie 25ish
Bahk 25ish
Perry* 26ish (really shined in the post season)



I am going to be upset when Jordy gets out, he is 31, how much longer does he got?

Maybe 1 play, maybe 5-7 years. Driver lasted 3-4 years longer than I thought he would.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I think Peppers is gone after the year and I wouldn't be shocked if he retired. The guy is going on 37, and this is around the time we moved on from Charles Woodson (though maybe not the best example given how our safeties played the year after he left).

As for Perry and Jones, I'd love to see them work out but unless one of them blows up next year I'm not exactly losing sleep over the thought of losing either or both of them.

My prediction is, we bring one of Perry or Jones back (my money is on Perry if he can build off his performance in the playoffs last season). We still have Matthews, and Fackrell who we drafted in the 3rd this year. Our 4th guy is probably a rookie or maybe Elliott if he's still around. It's not a great group, but i think it'll be serviceable for a year assuming Matthews stays healthy and Fackrell turns out to be at least somewhat useful.

With Peppers turning 37 at the end of the season nobody would be shocked if he retired. I don´t share your optimism about the outside linebacker group going into 2017 with only Matthews and Fackrell currently under contract. With limited cap space it will be tough to field a competitive unit going forward.