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I do a facepalm when people insist on giving TT a free pass because of a Superbowl win sandwiched by:
1. 2009 - an embarrassingly bad defensive performance in the playoffs
2. 2011 - an embarrassingly bad defense the entire year (record breaking bad at the time) which lead to an embarrassingly defensive effort in the playoffs
3. 2012 - hey we beat the Joe Webb led Vikings! Massive props there! Followed by easily the most embarrassing playoff loss by the Packers.
4. 2013 - I unlike a lot of people I am proud of the Packers this year so I have nothing negative to say about the players, even getting to the playoffs and giving the *cough* "mighty" *cough* 49ers all they could handle. A healthy Packer team this year would have looked much different.
Look this whole TT debate is getting old because too many people do not understand there is a middle ground, it is like 95% of the people either think TT can do no wrong because we won a Super Bowl or think he is horrible because we have only won one Super Bowl in the last 5 seasons. It makes it really hard for those of us that understand the truth of the matter which is that TT is absolutely deserving of both praise AND criticism. Unfortunately any time anyone criticizes TT on this board that person is made out to be ungrateful, spoiled, entitled, blah, blah, blah, blah...
Does anyone see the pattern in the above list?
Here is the plain and simple truth of the matter:
1. TT deserves heaps of praise for drafting and building one of the premier offensive teams in the league and winning a recent Super Bowl! Thank you TT, you are awesome!
2. TT deserves lots of criticism for drafting, building, and overpaying very average or bad defensive players and building one of the most pathetic defensive teams of the last 5 years. Damnit TT, what you are doing on defense flat out is not working, please analyze this and find a way to fix it while we still have the best QB in the league. We do not need a premier defense while we have A-Rod but in the name of all that is holy the defense at the very least needs to be average.
I consider myself a TT agnostic. He's not as good as his supporters contend and not as bad as the haters make him out to be. His strength is in conservative cap management (assuming he's the guy driving that and not Ball) and finding value in the middle and lower rounds.lol
Yes, the complete lack of analytical skill from the Ted Thompson haters is nothing short of staggering.
"Does anyone see the pattern?" YA... I see a pattern. I see a pattern where year after year under Ted Thompson the Packers are in the running for the Super Bowl along with just a handful of other teams.
Now let me ask YOU a question and unlike most posts like this where people don't answer... please answer... just a yes or no.... If you had to lay down $1,000 right now, would you pick the Packers to go to the playoffs, yet again, next year?
I bet you would....anywhooooooo...what was that you were saying again?
Why do i have to answer in a fashion that you deem when your simple yes or no answer does nothing but support your point of view? Would I put $1000 on the Pack making the playoffs? Yes. Would I put a $1000 on them making the Super Bowl? No.
And thank you for putting up a post of exactly what I was talking about. I said to many posters on this board are not allowed to criticize TT because of people like you who believe that TT should apparently get a free pass for life. If you can not see the faults with what TT has done with this team, then you suffer from blind homerism.
The team has faults, especially on the defensive side of the ball and everyone but you apparently realizes this. This team will not do anything but continually lose in the playoffs if the defensive side of the team is not addressed and fixed.
I do a facepalm when people insist on giving TT a free pass because of a Superbowl win sandwiched by:
1. 2009 - an embarrassingly bad defensive performance in the playoffs
2. 2011 - an embarrassingly bad defense the entire year (record breaking bad at the time) which lead to an embarrassingly defensive effort in the playoffs
3. 2012 - hey we beat the Joe Webb led Vikings! Massive props there! Followed by easily the most embarrassing playoff loss by the Packers.
4. 2013 - I unlike a lot of people I am proud of the Packers this year so I have nothing negative to say about the players, even getting to the playoffs and giving the *cough* "mighty" *cough* 49ers all they could handle. A healthy Packer team this year would have looked much different.
Look this whole TT debate is getting old because too many people do not understand there is a middle ground, it is like 95% of the people either think TT can do no wrong because we won a Super Bowl or think he is horrible because we have only won one Super Bowl in the last 5 seasons. It makes it really hard for those of us that understand the truth of the matter which is that TT is absolutely deserving of both praise AND criticism. Unfortunately any time anyone criticizes TT on this board that person is made out to be ungrateful, spoiled, entitled, blah, blah, blah, blah...
Does anyone see the pattern in the above list?
Here is the plain and simple truth of the matter:
1. TT deserves heaps of praise for drafting and building one of the premier offensive teams in the league and winning a recent Super Bowl! Thank you TT, you are awesome!
2. TT deserves lots of criticism for drafting, building, and overpaying very average or bad defensive players and building one of the most pathetic defensive teams of the last 5 years. Damnit TT, what you are doing on defense flat out is not working, please analyze this and find a way to fix it while we still have the best QB in the league. We do not need a premier defense while we have A-Rod but in the name of all that is holy the defense at the very least needs to be average.
Look this whole TT debate is getting old because too many people do not understand there is a middle ground, it is like 95% of the people either think TT can do no wrong because we won a Super Bowl or think he is horrible because we have only won one Super Bowl in the last 5 seasons. It makes it really hard for those of us that understand the truth of the matter which is that TT is absolutely deserving of both praise AND criticism. Unfortunately any time anyone criticizes TT on this board that person is made out to be ungrateful, spoiled, entitled, blah, blah, blah, blah...
And where do all the injuries that didn't help this team this season fit into all this?I do a facepalm when people insist on giving TT a free pass because of a Superbowl win sandwiched by:
1. 2009 - an embarrassingly bad defensive performance in the playoffs
2. 2011 - an embarrassingly bad defense the entire year (record breaking bad at the time) which lead to an embarrassingly defensive effort in the playoffs
3. 2012 - hey we beat the Joe Webb led Vikings! Massive props there! Followed by easily the most embarrassing playoff loss by the Packers.
4. 2013 - I unlike a lot of people I am proud of the Packers this year so I have nothing negative to say about the players, even getting to the playoffs and giving the *cough* "mighty" *cough* 49ers all they could handle. A healthy Packer team this year would have looked much different.
Look this whole TT debate is getting old because too many people do not understand there is a middle ground, it is like 95% of the people either think TT can do no wrong because we won a Super Bowl or think he is horrible because we have only won one Super Bowl in the last 5 seasons. It makes it really hard for those of us that understand the truth of the matter which is that TT is absolutely deserving of both praise AND criticism. Unfortunately any time anyone criticizes TT on this board that person is made out to be ungrateful, spoiled, entitled, blah, blah, blah, blah...
Does anyone see the pattern in the above list?
Here is the plain and simple truth of the matter:
1. TT deserves heaps of praise for drafting and building one of the premier offensive teams in the league and winning a recent Super Bowl! Thank you TT, you are awesome!
2. TT deserves lots of criticism for drafting, building, and overpaying very average or bad defensive players and building one of the most pathetic defensive teams of the last 5 years. Damnit TT, what you are doing on defense flat out is not working, please analyze this and find a way to fix it while we still have the best QB in the league. We do not need a premier defense while we have A-Rod but in the name of all that is holy the defense at the very least needs to be average.
And where do all the injuries that didn't help this team this season fit into all this?
How, in any way, can TT be blamed or criticized for that, besides the back up QB fiasco?
Oh I don't know, maybe actually read the post. Personally I see very little blame being doled out in Og's post for the 2013 squad. Heck he even acknowledges that there were a large number of injuries and that it did negatively affect the team.4. 2013 - I unlike a lot of people I am proud of the Packers this year so I have nothing negative to say about the players, even getting to the playoffs and giving the *cough* "mighty" *cough* 49ers all they could handle. A healthy Packer team this year would have looked much different.
Just wanting to look at it from all angles and wondering how much blame TT should get this season.Oh I don't know, maybe actually read the post. Personally I see very little blame being doled out in Og's post for the 2013 squad. Heck he even acknowledges that there were a large number of injuries and that it did negatively affect the team.
That is not on TT, I don't even know who to blame and I don't hink you can blame anyone. Some want to crucify the training staff but how?
1. Clay broke his thumb sacking the QB...Twice! The training staff can't do anything about that.
2. Aaron broke his collarbone being sacked, I remember watching that game and as it happened it was in slow motion for me because I was yelling at the TV, no, no, no, no, no as he was going down, saw it coming a mile away. Again the training staff can't do anything about that.
3. Cobb with the broken leg, we all saw it, again nothing the training staff can do
4. Finley with the neck, again, wtf? Nothing the trainging staff can do.
5. Hayward - this is the only one that ****** me off. How in the hell does a 20 something year old professional athlete miss 13 freaking games because of hamstring?!?!?! This makes no sense.
I don’t necessarily like the term blame as it implies it is someone’s fault and football is, in my opinion the ultimate team sport. There is not a single player, coach, GM, owner in the NFL that can win a football game, a division title, conference championship or a NFL title all by themselves. It truly takes everyone from the front office to the coaching staff to the players to make it happen. This holds true in most sports but even more so in football. In baseball a pitcher can win a game all by himself, in basketball one player can put the team on his back and win the game. Anyway, the only criticism I would have for TT this year is:
1. Not addressing the safety postion since the loss of Nick Collins
2. The back QB situation was a fiasco that probably cost us a game or two
3. Putting to much stock in the likes of Brad Jones & Morgan Burnett
I am not one to normally buy into the injury excuse but this team was absolutely decimated by injuries this year, way worse than the Superbowl Season. Aaron Rodgers, Randall Cobb, Jermichael Finley, Casey Hayward and Clay Matthews missed a total of 45 games combined this year and clay was wildly ineffective for 2 others because of the cast. Those are 5 players that are and were a huge part of the team. That is not on TT, I don't even know who to blame and I don't hink you can blame anyone. Some want to crucify the training staff but how?
1. Clay broke his thumb sacking the QB...Twice! The training staff can't do anything about that.
2. Aaron broke his collarbone being sacked, I remember watching that game and as it happened it was in slow motion for me because I was yelling at the TV, no, no, no, no, no as he was going down, saw it coming a mile away. Again the training staff can't do anything about that.
3. Cobb with the broken leg, we all saw it, again nothing the training staff can do
4. Finley with the neck, again, wtf? Nothing the trainging staff can do.
5. Hayward - this is the only one that ****** me off. How in the hell does a 20 something year old professional athlete miss 13 freaking games because of hamstring?!?!?! This makes no sense.
Anyway, enough rambling, you asked how much blame does TT should for this year? I would have to say very little, the 3 things mentioned above are all I can think of and we would not even be talking about number 2 without rodgers injury.
Thank you for answering a simple question. ..and I agree...it is a no-brainer...Ted Thompson puts this team in position every year.
Let's not let actual results and FACTS get in the way here.
What do the Browns, Lions, Jets, Chiefs, Fins and Vikings have in common? ANSWER: It’s been THIRTY years or more since these teams last appeared in a Super Bowl or NFL Championship game.
What do the Cleveland Browns, Detroit Lions, Houston Texans and Jacksonville Jaguars have in common? ANSWER: All are still waiting to make their FIRST Super Bowl appearance.
What do the Arizona Cardinals, Atlanta Falcons, Buffalo Bills, Carolina Panthers, Cincinnati Bengals, Minnesota Vikings, Philadelphia Eagles, San Diego Chargers, Seattle Seahawks and Tennessee Titans all have in common? ANSWER: Those clubs have never won a Super Bowl.
What do the Bills, Browns, Raiders, Rams, Bucs, Jags, Dolphins, Titans, Cowboys, Bears, Cards and Jets have in common? ANSWER: It’s been three or more years since these teams have EVEN MADE the playoffs.
What do the Bengals, Lions, Chiefs, Bills, Browns, Fins, Raiders, Bucs and Titans have in common? ANSWER: It’s been TEN or more years since these teams have won ONE playoff game.
What do the Bengals, Skins. Lions. Fins, Browns, Chiefs and Bills have in common? ANSWER: It’s been TWENTY or more years since these teams have made it to a championship playoff game.