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<blockquote data-quote="TJV" data-source="post: 547731" data-attributes="member: 4300"><p>Where are the stats comparing the success/failure of the different alignments Capers has used? It’s not enough to say the 2-4 was used the majority of the time without knowing how that alignment compared with others. How do you know the 3-4 was more successful and what were the differences in down and distance? And you continue to exaggerate by not taking Capers entire tenure in Green Bay into account, including the 2012 regular season. BTW I missed your analysis of the Packers D vs. San Fran in the most recent playoff game. Did that look like “obviously disasterous” considering the players missing?</p><p></p><p>Again, I advocated firing Capers but focusing on the 2-4 and exaggerating its impact is misplaced IMO. Over the past three seasons who were the classic 3-4 DEs that Capers could have started and left on the field in passing situations? Raji the way he’s played the past three years? (Having Raji start at DE was a sign they didn’t have traditional 3-4 DEs to play there. IMO the best thing about re-signing Raji is (1) it’s a one year deal and (2) he’s moving back to NT.) Did you want CJ Wilson at DE on passing downs? Jolly added a spark but his conditioning wouldn’t allow him to lead the DL in snaps. Where did their best pass rushing DL Daniels fit in the traditional 3-4? IMO his best spot by far is lining up inside but he certainly isn’t a NT. And what does the DC do with ‘tweeners like Mike Neal and Nick Perry? He stands them up on the LOS in the 2-4-5. Would it be better if they were in the same alignment only with their hand on the ground? No. Having players like Neal and Perry put their hand on the ground and then (on occasion) asking them to drop back in coverage ala a zone blitz would make it even harder for them in coverage – something both struggle with anyway. On most downs the 2-4-5 is used the OLBs rush the passer or set the edge so it is in effect a 4-2-5 with (supposedly) more athletic and versatile “DEs” than a 4-3. And what is a 4-2-5? That’s right, the traditional nickel alignment. Since you continue to harp on the 2-4, let us know which DL should have played the 3-man line the majority of the time over the past three seasons. </p><p></p><p>Better questions IMO are how often did the DC send more than 4 rushers and how effective were those blitzes? How about when he rushed fewer than 4 relying on coverage? The supposed advantage of the 2-4-5 is the unpredictability of where the pass rushers are coming from so one of my biggest criticisms of Capers is not using the unpredictability of the 2-4 enough. From what we’ve heard this off season I believe McCarthy has told Capers to correct that and that should mean moving Matthews, and now Peppers, around more. And with Daniels and (hopefully) an ascending player or two from the group of Datone, Neal, Perry, Worthy, a rookie? Capers should be able to get consistent pressure just sending 4. That has been the case in San Fran and Seattle but definitely hasn’t been the case, personnel-wise, in Green Bay. It’s no coincidence defenses that do that (get pressure without blitzing) do very well in the NFL.</p><p></p><p>BTW, with the addition of Peppers, Capers may have the personnel to line up in a 3-4 more often. Peppers, Raji and Jones, if Datone starts TC as he did last season (before the injury) and continues to improve. I don't expect Peppers to play 80% of the snaps but that kind of lineup, with legit 3-4 DEs was not an option at all for Capers last season. Not even close. </p><p></p><p>If they are relatively healthy, there is no reason the defense shouldn’t be significantly better this season. I expect a top 10 D in scoring (since they were 11th in 2012 and should be better IMO). In addition to an improved pass rush, a play making Hayward should be back 100%. There will be a better safety starting next to Burnett (how could there not be?) and the draft is likely to bring in a contributor on defense (rookies Hyde and Hayward were in their rookie seasons the last two drafts). I too have expressed concern on this forum about Capers’ track record of immediate success with a franchise and then his Ds dropping off. I think the table will be set for him to engineer a resurgence on defense (aided by a running game and healthy Rodgers that should help keep the pressure off of the D) and if he doesn’t, he should be gone.</p><p></p><p>- - -</p><p>I don’t have a problem with anyone mentioning Reggie White but IMO he is the greatest defensive player in the history of the game. As great as he was rushing the passer, he was equally great against the run. We Packers fans should keep in mind Reggie had already played 10 seasons of professional football before he arrived in Green Bay. Look at his entire pro career and no one comes close IMO.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TJV, post: 547731, member: 4300"] Where are the stats comparing the success/failure of the different alignments Capers has used? It’s not enough to say the 2-4 was used the majority of the time without knowing how that alignment compared with others. How do you know the 3-4 was more successful and what were the differences in down and distance? And you continue to exaggerate by not taking Capers entire tenure in Green Bay into account, including the 2012 regular season. BTW I missed your analysis of the Packers D vs. San Fran in the most recent playoff game. Did that look like “obviously disasterous” considering the players missing? Again, I advocated firing Capers but focusing on the 2-4 and exaggerating its impact is misplaced IMO. Over the past three seasons who were the classic 3-4 DEs that Capers could have started and left on the field in passing situations? Raji the way he’s played the past three years? (Having Raji start at DE was a sign they didn’t have traditional 3-4 DEs to play there. IMO the best thing about re-signing Raji is (1) it’s a one year deal and (2) he’s moving back to NT.) Did you want CJ Wilson at DE on passing downs? Jolly added a spark but his conditioning wouldn’t allow him to lead the DL in snaps. Where did their best pass rushing DL Daniels fit in the traditional 3-4? IMO his best spot by far is lining up inside but he certainly isn’t a NT. And what does the DC do with ‘tweeners like Mike Neal and Nick Perry? He stands them up on the LOS in the 2-4-5. Would it be better if they were in the same alignment only with their hand on the ground? No. Having players like Neal and Perry put their hand on the ground and then (on occasion) asking them to drop back in coverage ala a zone blitz would make it even harder for them in coverage – something both struggle with anyway. On most downs the 2-4-5 is used the OLBs rush the passer or set the edge so it is in effect a 4-2-5 with (supposedly) more athletic and versatile “DEs” than a 4-3. And what is a 4-2-5? That’s right, the traditional nickel alignment. Since you continue to harp on the 2-4, let us know which DL should have played the 3-man line the majority of the time over the past three seasons. Better questions IMO are how often did the DC send more than 4 rushers and how effective were those blitzes? How about when he rushed fewer than 4 relying on coverage? The supposed advantage of the 2-4-5 is the unpredictability of where the pass rushers are coming from so one of my biggest criticisms of Capers is not using the unpredictability of the 2-4 enough. From what we’ve heard this off season I believe McCarthy has told Capers to correct that and that should mean moving Matthews, and now Peppers, around more. And with Daniels and (hopefully) an ascending player or two from the group of Datone, Neal, Perry, Worthy, a rookie? Capers should be able to get consistent pressure just sending 4. That has been the case in San Fran and Seattle but definitely hasn’t been the case, personnel-wise, in Green Bay. It’s no coincidence defenses that do that (get pressure without blitzing) do very well in the NFL. BTW, with the addition of Peppers, Capers may have the personnel to line up in a 3-4 more often. Peppers, Raji and Jones, if Datone starts TC as he did last season (before the injury) and continues to improve. I don't expect Peppers to play 80% of the snaps but that kind of lineup, with legit 3-4 DEs was not an option at all for Capers last season. Not even close. If they are relatively healthy, there is no reason the defense shouldn’t be significantly better this season. I expect a top 10 D in scoring (since they were 11th in 2012 and should be better IMO). In addition to an improved pass rush, a play making Hayward should be back 100%. There will be a better safety starting next to Burnett (how could there not be?) and the draft is likely to bring in a contributor on defense (rookies Hyde and Hayward were in their rookie seasons the last two drafts). I too have expressed concern on this forum about Capers’ track record of immediate success with a franchise and then his Ds dropping off. I think the table will be set for him to engineer a resurgence on defense (aided by a running game and healthy Rodgers that should help keep the pressure off of the D) and if he doesn’t, he should be gone. - - - I don’t have a problem with anyone mentioning Reggie White but IMO he is the greatest defensive player in the history of the game. As great as he was rushing the passer, he was equally great against the run. We Packers fans should keep in mind Reggie had already played 10 seasons of professional football before he arrived in Green Bay. Look at his entire pro career and no one comes close IMO. [/QUOTE]
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