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TT better impress...

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by musccy, Jan 12, 2006.

  1. musccy

    musccy Cheesehead

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    this offseason in FA and in the draft. It seems that many of us agree he's all but forced Brett and Bates out the door all for someone from a 4-12 team....I'm still trying to stay supportive and patient with TT, but he's making it pretty difficult!
     
  2. tromadz

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    if his actions this year are as good as last years (cutting the fat[hunt,thomas,sherman]) and drafting nick collins, whitticker, and other young guys who started in their rookie years, then it should be fine.

    TT forcing brett out - speculation (didnt TT just hire a guy who was bretts Qb coach? but TT is forcing brett out. Ok, that makes sense somewhere)

    TT forcing Bates out -speculation (all he did was not hire him as HC, he didnt say he doesnt want him back, and is bates under contract for 06? can someone find out)

    TT drafting good players, and making good Fa moves (robert thomas, rod gardner), and firing weak players coaches (Hunt,sherman) - Fact




    TT has still shown no reason for any doubt. This HC hiring seems mind boggling on the surface, but the more I read about him and his GB connections, its starting to make more sense.
     
  3. all about da packers

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    Bates is under contract for 2 more years Trom. He signed a 3 year contract last year.
     
  4. mattresell

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    Great point. If he's a DC it will be in GB. Do we control whether or not he can leave for a HC job or is there an out in his contract for such a scenario?
     
  5. tromadz

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    GREAT info, ABDP! This makes things interesting to me. I am very curious about Bates even leaving to HC somewhere else, EVEN IF HE WANTED TO. He signed a contract! I sure would like more info on this contract thingy, and im sure there will be more news about it th next couple of days.
     
  6. Toronto_Cheesehead

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    Well McCarthy might bring his own DC in anyways. So Bates could just be let go (I hope that's not the case of course). Also, if he gets offered a HC job from another team I doubt the Packers would hold him back from that.
     
  7. all about da packers

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    Trom, NFL rules say that all assitants are allowed to specifically interview for any promotions with other teams, regardless of being signed to another team. And rules also make it illegal for co-ordinators to have contracts that do not allow them from taking coaching interviews. A verbal agreement is different, but as for right now, having Bates refused to be interviewed would result in some trouble for the Pack from the league office, since the Packers are not in the playoffs.

    Also, Bates CAN go out and contact other teams for interviews. If he recieves an offer of a position higher than his current one, he is free to join the new team without any further fulfillment of the contract.
     
  8. tromadz

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    thats ...the most retarded rule ive heard in sports.

    "You're my OC, but if that other team wants to make you HC, im ******. Good luck!"

    Wow...and I thought MLB had some stupid rules.
     
  9. DePack

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    trom....that rule has been around forever. Anyway, it's a moot point. When TT fired Sherman, I read he gave all his assistants permission to look elsewhere for a job.
     
  10. P@ck66

    P@ck66 Banned Banned

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    tromadz..

    I wouldn't brag about the Whittaker signing...

    (in my book...the guy is definitely not a lock...)
     
  11. yooperfan

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    Contrary to some opinions, Teddy drafted only one starter, Nick Collins.
    Whittaker started by default because Teddy brought no serious contenders for the guard positions. The rest of his draft picks would best be termed projects.
    He picked up Gardener because there were no other options.
    With Samkon Gado he was grasping at straws and Gado just happened to work out (pure luck).
    This season he hopefully will demonstrate that his intention is to improve the Packers as quickly as possible through free agency and the draft.
    I was stunned by his choice for the head coaching job.
    Being a lifelong dyed in the wool Packer fan I always have high hopes but I'm not very optimistic about Teddy.
     
  12. Buckeyepackfan

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    I have antother view:

    1. Letting go your only pro-bowl caliber DB to a division rival.

    2. Breaking up one of the best O-lines in the NFL by not aggresively trying to resign either starting guard.

    3. Wasting 6 million dollars by giving the HC a 2 year extension, then firing him after the first losing season in 6.

    4. Not signing a veteran free agent WR to give our veteran HOF qb another weapon until there were only 2 weeks left in the season and then it did not matter.

    5. Giving our DC who did what he was hired to do, vastly improve a defense in dire need of improvement,only a token interview for the HC job, almost guaranteeing he will not be back next year.
    Like it or not, if The Packers refused to let anyone interview their Assistant coaches for a better position, no assistant would ever come to Green Bay to coach.
    This is the real world, people who are successsful, want to be awarded for that success, or be free to go somewhere else where their success is appreciated and they have a chance at a promotion.

    6. Hiring a HC with no HC experience, who is known for his ability to develope rookie qb's, thus giving our current starting qb one less reason to play one more year.

    I don't think anything I listed above is speculation, it is all fact.

    Just to make myself clear, come next year, whoever takes the field wearing the Green and Gold, I will be backing them 100%, I will not be on here blaming this player or this coach for any loss, because football is a TEAM game and the team wins or loses period.

    Like it or not TT is the GM and he is going to do what he wants to do, but not everyone is going to like his techniques.

    My opinion, if The Packers are going to go through another losing season, I would much rather be watching Brett Favre playing his heart out trying to win games, then watching Aaron Rogers go through the growing pains we all know he will go through.

    Just my view.
     
  13. DePack

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    Great post Buckeye. There may be extenuating circumstances to these facts....but they are facts. I agree with you on the Brett thing. Everything TT has done sofar can be excused if it works out. IF and I repeat IF he forces Favre into retirement...he's dead.
     
  14. P@ck66

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    Hey DePack..

    Like my new avatar?

    (kind of says it all...don't it?)
     
  15. PackerTraxx

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    TT sure put his ... on the line. But I believe he had to hire an assistant coach to have any chance at great coach. Good/great coaches with HC experience are not looking for jobs, they keep the ones they have. Hopefully he made the right decision.
     
  16. DePack

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    I like it. I just hope they don't beat our asses in the NFC championship game next season. Actually, if they do it will be the best two coaching jobs ever performed in the history of the NFL.
     
  17. WinnipegPackFan

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    Yep, could not agree more. I am getting fork ready just in case I have to eat my words on TT ( and it's a big fork ).

    Keeping Bates now might be tough though ( bring them both back TT ).
     
  18. Chamuko

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    Well if TT made the right decision and everything plays in his favour we might have a new HC with strog ties to Brett, we will have Bret and all the injured players back and we will have Bates back, plus most of the rookies will be better than last season.

    BUT WHAT if he made the wrong decision, Brett decides to retire, Bates goes somewhere else....... we will have a hard time attracting good FA´s to play for the Pack and it will be a nightmare, for a long time..

    So...... so we can only wait and see.
     
  19. DePack

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    It's "That 70's Show" all over again!
     

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