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Trade for pick

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Poppa San, Feb 24, 2014.

  1. Poppa San

    Poppa San SB I trophy First of four Staff Member Moderator

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    Which players currently under contract would you willing trade for the position they were drafted in this years draft? Ignore salary cap implications. (New player is same cost) As a reminder where everyone was drafted:
    Player year round total pos.
    Rodgers, Aaron 05 01 024 Keep
    Hawk, AJ 06 01 005 Trade
    Crosby, Mason 07 06 193 Keep
    Nelson, Jordy 08 02 036 Keep
    Sitton, Josh 08 04 135 Keep
    Matthews, Clay 09 01 026 Keep
    Lang, TJ 09 04 109 Trade
    Jones, Brad 09 07 218 Trade
    Bulaga, Bryan 10 01 023 Trade
    Burnett, Morgan 10 03 071 Trade
    Starks, James
    10 06 193 Trade
    Sherrod, Derek 11 01 032 Trade
    Cobb, Randall 11 02 064 Keep
    House, Davon 11 04 131 Keep
    Taylor, Ryan 11 07 218 Trade
    Perry, Nick 12 01 028 Trade
    Worthy, Jerel 12 02 051 Trade
    Hayward, Casey 12 02 062 Keep
    Daniels, Mike 12 04 132 Keep
    Jones, Datone 13 01 026 Keep
    Lacy, Eddie 13 02 061 Keep
    Bakhtiari, David 13 04 109 Keep
    Tretter, JC 13 04 122 Trade
    Franklin, Johnathan 13 04 125 Trade
    Hyde, Micah 13 05 159 Keep
    Boyd, Josh 13 05 167 Keep
    Palmer, Nate 13 06 193 Trade
    Dorsey, Kevin 13 07 224 Trade
    Barrington, Sam 13 07 232 Keep
    Tiller, Andrew 12 06 179 Trade
    Harper, Chris 13 04 123 Trade
    (Last two were not Packer picks)
     
  2. captainWIMM

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    I agree with most of your decisions, but I would keep Lang and Tretter (as he's the only one capable playing center under contract) and Franklin (still too early to judge him and he showed some talent vs. cincy)
     
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  3. Ace

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    I would also keep Worthy along with Lang and Tretter but I agree with everything else
     
  4. adambr2

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    I don't know why anyone would let Lang walk for a 4th but keep House rather than a 4th. Other than that it looks pretty good, though.
     
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  5. Ace

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    Absolutely agree with this.
     
  6. Poppa San

    Poppa San SB I trophy First of four Staff Member Moderator

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    Most of the guys I'd trade are 1]not playing up to what I think their pick was worth, 2]are not playing much at all, or 3]are just guys. The Fan 107.5 brought it up last night for tonight's discussion. If I remember, I'll listen in.
     
  7. Ace

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    Fair enough. I still don't understand trading Lang and keeping House though
     
  8. Poppa San

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    Guess I'm higher on House than Lang. Mostly it was done by gut feel as to whether the player could be upgraded by a pick at the same draft position. I feel it is easier to get a starting OL in the 4th round than a decent DB.
     
  9. adambr2

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    House seems to fit all 3 of those descriptions IMO, Lang not so much. Lang is a good quality starting NFL guard, and we'd be pretty tough to replace his production for a 4th round rookie this year.

    House I could see a case made either way. If Shields walks, House probably has more value this year. After his training camp last year, I thought he would be coming along a little better than he has. He certainly had the opportunity last year with Hayward out all season.

    I think the House pick probably looks a little worse because he's' probably just a "guy" for his whole career while the best corner in the NFL was taken several picks later.
     
  10. Ace

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    Valid point and I would tend to agree with this.
     
  11. captainWIMM

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    Nevertheless it´s not a given that you get a talented guy like Lang in the fourth round.
     
  12. Ace

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    He found Sitton and Bahktiari in the 4th also
     
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    True, as well as Allen Barbre. As I said there´s no guarantee a fourth round pick will work out, so I would rather take the sure thing and hold on to Lang.
     
  14. Ace

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    Ugh... I would hang onto Lang as well.
     
  15. adambr2

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    Without researching what the league averages are, I'm not sure if it's true or not that it's easier to get talented lineman later than talented tackles or not.

    Both Tramon and Shields were undrafted FA's and top players at their position on our team at one time or now.

    Hayward was a 2nd, Hyde a 5th, House a 4th, Bush UDFA. Burnett was a 3rd and MD Jennings undrafted (granted, he was junk). Half our DB's are former UDFA's.

    Sherrod was a 1st, Bulaga was a 1st, EDS and Barclay undrafted, Sitton, Lang, Tretter, and Bahk were all 4th's.

    Mid to late round picks have been a mixed back for both linemen and DB's. But we certainly don't have any undrafted linemen nearly the quality of players that Tramon and Shields have been. EDS would be the closest.

    I feel pretty confident that if there was an "expansion draft" and that team got to pick some of our players, at least 9 out of 10 of our fans would prefer that they took House for their team over Lang.
     
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    Just going by the number of tackles that go really high in the draft compared to interior lineman, I would guess that tackles are harder to find later.
     
  17. TJV

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    Right now I think Lang is more valuable to the team than House and I don't think that's a close call. Another factor that reinforces that is continuity on the OL is much more important than at CB, since CBs are "on an island".

    BTW, here's a link to Packer Update. Michael Rodney talks about House's aversion to tackling and says it's the reason he was replaced by Bush late in the season. http://packerupdate.net/?p=29659
     
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  18. adambr2

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    Whoops! That was supposed to read "than talented defensive backs", not tackles. I would agree that in general, good tackles are harder to find later on than at any other position on the offensive line. Although exceptions certainly exist. Barclay, Bahktiari, and Tauscher are all guys that come to mind, although Tauscher is the only one that we know maintained it for the long haul.
     

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