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Can you include coaches? If so then Vince Lombardi no doubt for me. 5 Titles in one decade. I don't think it can ever be matched.
Zerozcool posted the Packers first super star player name in this topic. End (now known as a wide receiver in NFL) Don Hutson- 1935-1945. Zero you are indeed a knowledgeable Packer fan. For years Don Hutson held just about all the NFL receiving records and the Packers only played 11 regular season games in those days. However those records have been broken by the great modern receivers like Jerry Rice etc but in the 16 game NFL season. The modern NFL game which features much more passing than when Hutson played.
Hutson is considered by many older Packer fans as the savior of the Packer franchise. When he played in NFL games, he put extra "Fannys into the seats" in most NFL Stadiums around around NFL. Many
NFL fans came out because they wanted to see him
This was very important during the period of 1935-1945 when Hutson played because
Packer franchise need every dollar they could get from gate receipts of every game they played. Tickets revenue was about the only revenue the Packers had in those days. Today the Packers have many sources of income.
In 1963 , Don Hutson was in the first class of inductees in tto NFL Hall of Fame in Canton OH. The Packers won 3 NFL Championships ( 1936,1939, and 1944) while Hutson played for the Packers . The Packers lost 1938 NFL Championship game against the NY Giants.
In 1942, Don Hutson was the first NFL receiver to surpass the 1,000 yard receiving mark in NFL. Hutson had 72 pass receptions- 1,211 yards- 16.2 yards per reception and 17 TDs.
Previously to Hutson coming to the Packers in 1935, the top Packer pass receiver Packers would have just over 200 yards and around 17 catches with perhaps 3 TDs. in a whole season. Hutson was 6'1''- 176 lbs. From Alabama University and was fastest and most athletic pass receiver of his day in the NFL.
Although I love Favre, Bart Starr had so much class and always will be Mr. Packer.
Sorry the Best Ever - Either Brett Favre or Don Hutson. Maybe Herb Adderley
All Time Favs at Positions...
QB- Favre
RB - Bennett
FB - Big Will not doubt
WR - John Jefferson ... Even though he was here a short time.
TE Paul Coffman and I have to Add one ED WEST
T - Give Me Tauscher
G - Marco Rivera
C - Frankie Bag of Dognuts or James Campen
DE - Reggie White and Ezra Johnson
DT - No Doubt - Big Gilbert Brown
ILB - Johnny Holland
OLB - Mike 'Mad Dog' Douglass
CB - Tim Lewis
S - (2) LeRoy Butler and Mister Clean Mark Murphy
Lofton was for SURE more talented then Jefferson. But i LOVED watching Jefferson play! The guy would get nailed by a D player, and would just lay there for several seconds. The crowd would go silent, then, "JJ" would just JUMP UP, and the crowd would go wild!Pack93z said:Sorry the Best Ever - Either Brett Favre or Don Hutson. Maybe Herb Adderley
All Time Favs at Positions...
QB- Favre
RB - Bennett
FB - Big Will not doubt
WR - John Jefferson ... Even though he was here a short time.
TE Paul Coffman and I have to Add one ED WEST
T - Give Me Tauscher
G - Marco Rivera
C - Frankie Bag of Dognuts or James Campen
DE - Reggie White and Ezra Johnson
DT - No Doubt - Big Gilbert Brown
ILB - Johnny Holland
OLB - Mike 'Mad Dog' Douglass
CB - Tim Lewis
S - (2) LeRoy Butler and Mister Clean Mark Murphy
James Lofton's better than Jefferson, and they overlapped here.
Pack93z said:Sorry the Best Ever - Either Brett Favre or Don Hutson. Maybe Herb Adderley
All Time Favs at Positions...
QB- Favre
RB - Bennett
FB - Big Will not doubt
WR - John Jefferson ... Even though he was here a short time.
TE Paul Coffman and I have to Add one ED WEST
T - Give Me Tauscher
G - Marco Rivera
C - Frankie Bag of Dognuts or James Campen
DE - Reggie White and Ezra Johnson
DT - No Doubt - Big Gilbert Brown
ILB - Johnny Holland
OLB - Mike 'Mad Dog' Douglass
CB - Tim Lewis
S - (2) LeRoy Butler and Mister Clean Mark Murphy
James Lofton's better than Jefferson, and they overlapped here.
Don Hutson was so far above the competition that no other player can be considered. He revolutionized the passing game and most of his records lasted until the 80's. It took until the 80's for a guy to have as many touchdowns. Jerry Rice broke most of Don's receiving numbers.
Don played when there was no pass interference penalty, 11 game seasons, and still had thousand yard receiving seasons.
Don Hutson still holds the record of averaging .85 TD receptions/game and scoring 29 points in one quarter.
When he retired, Hutson had caught 488 passes. The second-place receiver at the time had just 190 receptions.
The 2 time MVP dominated the league.
I often wonder how the old time players would do against the new guys, and vice versa. It was a different time, for sure. Even going back to the 1960's, the players were SO much smaller then their counter parts today.CaliforniaCheez said:Don Hutson was so far above the competition that no other player can be considered. He revolutionized the passing game and most of his records lasted until the 80's. It took until the 80's for a guy to have as many touchdowns. Jerry Rice broke most of Don's receiving numbers.
Don played when there was no pass interference penalty, 11 game seasons, and still had thousand yard receiving seasons.
Don Hutson still holds the record of averaging .85 TD receptions/game and scoring 29 points in one quarter.
When he retired, Hutson had caught 488 passes. The second-place receiver at the time had just 190 receptions.
The 2 time MVP dominated the league.
He also played full time defense and kicked field goals and extra points. ackbeer:
I often wonder how the old time players would do against the new guys, and vice versa. It was a different time, for sure. Even going back to the 1960's, the players were SO much smaller then their counter parts today.PackerTraxx said:CaliforniaCheez said:Don Hutson was so far above the competition that no other player can be considered. He revolutionized the passing game and most of his records lasted until the 80's. It took until the 80's for a guy to have as many touchdowns. Jerry Rice broke most of Don's receiving numbers.
Don played when there was no pass interference penalty, 11 game seasons, and still had thousand yard receiving seasons.
Don Hutson still holds the record of averaging .85 TD receptions/game and scoring 29 points in one quarter.
When he retired, Hutson had caught 488 passes. The second-place receiver at the time had just 190 receptions.
The 2 time MVP dominated the league.
He also played full time defense and kicked field goals and extra points. ackbeer:
cheesey said:I often wonder how the old time players would do against the new guys, and vice versa. It was a different time, for sure. Even going back to the 1960's, the players were SO much smaller then their counter parts today.PackerTraxx said:CaliforniaCheez said:Don Hutson was so far above the competition that no other player can be considered. He revolutionized the passing game and most of his records lasted until the 80's. It took until the 80's for a guy to have as many touchdowns. Jerry Rice broke most of Don's receiving numbers.
Don played when there was no pass interference penalty, 11 game seasons, and still had thousand yard receiving seasons.
Don Hutson still holds the record of averaging .85 TD receptions/game and scoring 29 points in one quarter.
When he retired, Hutson had caught 488 passes. The second-place receiver at the time had just 190 receptions.
The 2 time MVP dominated the league.
He also played full time defense and kicked field goals and extra points. ackbeer:
But Cheesey, they would have had access to the same training and such. Jerry Kramer, for example was what, 235 lbs? He was pretty damn fit. What if Jim Brown would have added 20 more lbs of muscle? Football is as much a mentality as anything.
All of these comments are why it's hard for me to compare people from different times to each other. They were the BEST for their time, but who knows HOW they would have done in a different time. If you took old time guys, and they even HAD the weights and stuff they have now, who KNOWS if they would still be great. Or throw one of today's "prima-donnas" into the OLD NFL, where they might get clotheslined "legally" on any given play, or a linebacker might just light them up for fun, and maybe they would be too afraid to play.Hammer said:cheesey said:I often wonder how the old time players would do against the new guys, and vice versa. It was a different time, for sure. Even going back to the 1960's, the players were SO much smaller then their counter parts today.PackerTraxx said:CaliforniaCheez said:Don Hutson was so far above the competition that no other player can be considered. He revolutionized the passing game and most of his records lasted until the 80's. It took until the 80's for a guy to have as many touchdowns. Jerry Rice broke most of Don's receiving numbers.
Don played when there was no pass interference penalty, 11 game seasons, and still had thousand yard receiving seasons.
Don Hutson still holds the record of averaging .85 TD receptions/game and scoring 29 points in one quarter.
When he retired, Hutson had caught 488 passes. The second-place receiver at the time had just 190 receptions.
The 2 time MVP dominated the league.
He also played full time defense and kicked field goals and extra points. ackbeer:
But Cheesey, they would have had access to the same training and such. Jerry Kramer, for example was what, 235 lbs? He was pretty damn fit. What if Jim Brown would have added 20 more lbs of muscle? Football is as much a mentality as anything.
Kramer played at 245 and Thurston at 235, they were considered "big" linemen as was the entire GB line. Hornung and Taylor were considered "big" backs at 215. Jim Brown was a "freak" at 230. There were a lot of 220-230 lbs. linemen and 170-190 lbs. backs. As Chibiabos said it was a different game in a different era. In Hutson's time there was no interference and he played both ways the entire game. In the 60's and 70's you could knock a receiver down as long as the ball was not in the air. Now you can't "bump" him after 5 yds. The offensive line couldn't use their hands to block, the QB wasn't protected, etc. It was a much different game, a tougher more defensive minded game. That's why offensive records are easier to break today.
At some positions yesterday's players are more likely to be able to play. Some player of yesterday could play today regardless. Today's player are bigger, faster and better overall. But I like to enjoy players for what they accomplished in their era with the rules of the day and the way the game was played at that time.
I always was kind of fond of Lofton myself. Sat next to him as a kid in a Godfathers Pizza joint. He was always the guy you wanted to "be" when hitting the back yard on the weekend.
agopackgo4 said:I would have to say Favre...but how do you compare Favre with Starr? Arn't there too many differences in the game?
That's easy Bart called the plays on the field not from his headset!
Bart didn't get the type of protections avaiable to today's QBs. As good as Brett my be I doubt he would have lasted as long as he has back in the Unitas/Bart Starr era.