1. Welcome to Green Bay Packers NFL Football Forum & Community!
    Packer Forum is one of the largest online communities for the Green Bay Packers.

    You are currently viewing our community forums as a guest user.

    Sign Up or

    Having an account grants you additional privileges, such as creating and participating in discussions. Furthermore, we hide most of the ads once you register as a member!

Favre and rebuilding Packers just aren't working

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Zero2Cool, Sep 22, 2006.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. packerfanfourever

    packerfanfourever Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2005
    Messages:
    82
    Ratings:
    +0
    So how do you know what TT told Brett? I believe Brett knew what he was getting into.
     
  2. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2004
    Messages:
    11,903
    Ratings:
    +8
    Ted has made the 'other' side difficult but when I get home from work (which is where I am scrambling to reply here before getting caught) I will try to do that. keyword ---- try lol
     
  3. porky88

    porky88 Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2006
    Messages:
    3,991
    Ratings:
    +0
    Good post and he did. You can see the difference in Favre's press conferences to this year and last year. Favre understands this team is rebuilding and he came back to help the Green Bay Packers in the best way he can.
     
  4. Packnic

    Packnic Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2006
    Messages:
    2,454
    Ratings:
    +6
    Rebuilding has such an ugly sound to it. id prefer we call what TT is doing "reloading".

    its much faster than rebuilding and it is absolutely necessary. and TT is concentrating on winning ASAP. just understands we had no chance with the Sherman built teams. so he had to Stop. Reload. Then go back at it as soon as he could.
     
  5. Anubis

    Anubis Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2005
    Messages:
    767
    Ratings:
    +0
    To reload you need ammunition. TT has done nothing in the way of bringing in any ammunition for this team to be successful. That would mean signing some talented FAs and not castoffs waived from other teams. "Reloading" would have included resigning Wahle and doing *something* to improve the mess we call Special Teams.

    He is cutting most of the experienced veterans we have and replacing them with rookies, or no one at all (eg. Davenport, Walker, etc.). He is banking the future of the franchise on unproven draftees who will take on average 2 to 3 seasons to demonstrate they have the potential to become solid starters. That is rebuilding in its purest form.
     
  6. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2004
    Messages:
    11,903
    Ratings:
    +8
    (eg. Davenport, Walker, etc.)


    Morency, Jennings
     
  7. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2004
    Messages:
    11,903
    Ratings:
    +8



    Notables, signing driver, kampman, pickett, woodson(if you ignore his pre season flop an weak bears game-- solid PR), ben taylor, ahman green, william henderson, jon ryan, i would say dave rayner but **** lets see the kid kick one when it COUNTS, etc etc etc

    Really, you can write a helluva lot of good things here. Read through and surely someone of your high intellect will figure it out. Like getting rid of ppl like Hunt, Davenport, Peterson etc. those were positives.

    You have to cut some losses to show the team it doesnt matter who drafted you or where you were drafted. Just ask 4th rd pick Cory Rodgers a valued DISH Network customer :)





    Some of Ted's moves do draw questions with me. Like, Mike McCarthy is one that I am starting to question. A man is only as good as his word. He said he was NOT going to abandon the run. 16 carries and 20 in two games for Green? Looking up history he gets better with more carries in the 4th quarter. Give him 20 before the fourth an 7 - 10 in the final period and we win. (specualtion on the 'win' comment at the end)








    Code:
    September 13, 2006	Released fullback Vonta Leach.
    September 11, 2006	Signed wide receiver Koren Robinson.
    September 9, 2006	Released cornerback Mike Hawkins.
    September 7, 2006	Released tackle-guard Adrian Klemm.
    
    September 4, 2006	Claimed cornerback Jarrett Bush off waivers from the Carolina Panthers
    September 2, 2006	Released wide running back Najeh Davenport, defensive lineman Kenny Peterson
    September 1, 2006	Released guard-tackle William Whitticker 
    August 30, 2006	Claimed kicker E.J. Cochrane off waivers from the Philadelphia Eagles; released fullback A.J. Cooper, long snapper Thomas Gafford, wide receivers Chad Lucas and Calvin Russell, quarterback Brian Wrobel, defensive end Montez Murphy and defensive tackle Jerome Nichols; placed linebacker Kurt Campbell and safety Marviel Underwood on injured reserve.
    August 23, 2006	Released tackle Todd Williams.
    August 23, 2006	Released wide receiver Marc Boerigter.
    August 22, 2006	Released punter B.J. Sander and linebacker Kevin Schimmelmann.
    August 18, 2006	Released kicker Billy Cundiff.
    August 17, 2006	Signed safety Jeremy Modkins.
    August 15, 2006	Signed cornerback Antonio Malone and safety Jeremy Modkins; released wide receiver Leo Bookman and guard Wayne Lucier.
    August 7, 2006	Released linebacker Byron Santiago.
    July 30, 2006	Signed linebacker A.J. Hawk, their first-round pick, to a six-year contract.
    July 28, 2006	Signed guard Tupe Peko and linebacker Abdul Hodge.
    July 28, 2006	Signed guard-tackle Daryn Colledge and quarterback Ingle Martin; released safety Mark Roman.
    July 27, 2006	Signed guard-center Jason Spitz; released quarterback Tom Arth and running back Chaz Williams.
    July 26, 2006	Signed wide receiver-kick returner Cory Rodgers.
    July 24, 2006	Signed wide receiver Greg Jennings; released tight end Garrett Cross.
    July 19, 2006	Signed guard-tackle Tony Moll.
    July 15, 2006	Signed cornerback Will Blackmon.
    July 12, 2006	Signed safety Tyron Culver.
    July 7, 2006	Signed defensive tackle Johnny Jolly.
    June 23, 2006	Signed defensive end Dave Tollefson.
    June 3, 2006	Named Eric Lewis and Shawn Slocum assistant coaches.
    May 8, 2006	Signed fullback Ben Brown and linebacker Kevin Schimmelmann.
    May 6, 2006	Signed wide receivers Calvin Russell and Chris Francies, safety Tra Boger, running backs Arliss Beach and Shermar Bracey, fullback A.J. Cooper, linebackers Tim Goodwell and Byron Santiago, defensive end Jason Hunter and Montez Murphy, tight end Zac Alcorn and tackle Josh Bourke.
    May 2, 2006	Signed linebacker Byron Santiago.
    April 26, 2006	Signed defensive tackle Kenderick Allen, who had been with the New York Giants.
    March 28, 2006	Signed wide receiver Marc Boerigter, linebacker Ben Taylor and kicker Billy Cundiff; re-signed running back Najeh Davenport.
    March 23, 2006	Re-signed defensive tackle Colin Cole; signed quarterback Tom Arth.
    March 21, 2006	Re-signed wide receiver Rod Gardner.
    March 21, 2006	Re-signed fullback William Henderson.
    March 17, 2006	Signed linebacker Tracy White, who had been with the Jacksonville Jaguars; waived linebacker John Leake; signed defensie tackle Ryan Pickett, who had been with the St. Louis Rams, to a multi-year contract.
    March 15, 2006	Re-signed tackle Kevin Barry and defensive end Kenny Peterson.
    March 14, 2006	Signed safety Marquand Manuel, who had been with the Seattle Seahawks, to a multi-year contract; claimed wide receiver Harry Williams off waivers from the New York Jets.
    March 12, 2006	Re-signed defensive end Aaron Kampman to a multi-year contract.
    March 9, 2006	Named George Koonce director of player development.
    March 7, 2006	Re-signed running back Ahman Green and cornerback Jason Horton to one-year contracts.
    March 3, 2006	Released linebacker Na'il Diggs and punter Ryan Dutton.
    February 21, 2006	Allocated wide receivers Vince Butler and Chad Lucas, safety Atari Bigby, cornerback Therrian Fontenot, tight end Tory Humphrey, defensive tackle Jerome Nichols, guard Pete Traynor and quarterback Brian Wrobel to NFL Europe.
    February 7, 2006	Signed punters Ryan Dutton and Jon Ryan, tight end Thomas Gafford, center Wayne Lucier, defensive tackle Jerome Nichols, wide receiver Willie Quinnie and guard Pete Traynor.
    February 6, 2006	Named Eric Lewis and Shawn Slocum assistant coaches.
    January 31, 2006	Named Kurt Schottenheimer defensive backs coach.
    January 29, 2006	Named Tom Clements quarterbacks coach.
    January 28, 2006	Named Carl Hairston defensive line coach.
    January 24, 2006	Named Robert Nunn and Lionel Washington assistant coaches.
    January 21, 2006	Named Bob Sanders defensive coordinator.
    January 20, 2006	Named Mike Stock special teams coordinator, Winston Moss linebackers coach and Rock Gullickson strength and conditioning coach.
    January 16, 2006	Announced that defensive coordinator Jim Bates will not return by mutual agreement.
    January 15, 2006	Named Jeff Jagodzinski offensive coordinator.
    January 13, 2006	Fired offensive coordinator Tom Rossley, offensive line coach Larry Beightol, linebackers coach Mark Duffner, secondary-safeties coach Joe Baker, special teams coordinator John Bonamego and strength and conditioning coach Barry Rubin; fired director of football administration Bruce Warwick and weight room assistant Vince Workman.
    January 12, 2006	Named Mike McCarthy coach.
    January 4, 2006	Signed wide receivers Vince Butler, Chad Lucas and Ruvell Martin, defensive tackle Tim McGill and quarterback Brian Wrobel.
    January 3, 2006	Fired coach Mike Sherman.
    December 30, 2005	Placed wide receiver Robert Ferguson on injured reserve; signed tight end Tory Humphrey and cornerback Therrian Fontenot from the practice squad.
    December 29, 2005	Placed linebacker Robert Thomas on injured reserve.
    December 23, 2005	Placed tight end Bubba Franks and punter B.J. Sander on injured reserve; signed punter Ryan Flinn and promoted safety Atari Bigby from the practice squad; signed running back Ran Carthon to the practice squad.
    December 21, 2005	Signed defensive tackle Tim McGill and fullback Jimmy Dixon to their practice squad; released defensive end Elliott Harris and fullback Greg Hanoian from the practice squad.
    December 21, 2005	Claimed wide receiver Rod Gardner off waivers from the Carolina Panthers.
    December 14, 2005	Claimed linebacker John Leake off waivers from the Atlanta Falcons; placed linebacker Brady Poppinga on injured reserve.
    December 2, 2005	Placed running back ReShard Lee on injured reserve.
    November 30, 2005	Signed running back Noah Herron from the Pittsburgh Steelers practice squad; re-signed safety Todd Franz and placed safety Jeremy Thornburg on injured reserve.
    November 23, 2005	Placed cornerback Jason Horton on injured reserve; signed cornerback Jerron Wishom from the practice squad; signed fullback Greg Hanoian.
    November 22, 2005	Waived wide receiver Chad Lucas and safety Earl Little; released fullback Greg Hanoian from the practice squad.
    November 16, 2005	Signed defensive end Elliott Harris, wide receiver Ruvell Martin and tight end Tory Humphrey to the practice squad.
    November 12, 2005	Signed cornerback Patrick Dendy from the practice squad.
    November 12, 2005	Placed running back Walt Williams on injured reserve.
    November 10, 2005	Signed wide receiver Chad Lucas from the practice squad; released wide receiver Taco Wallace; re-signed wide receiver Vince Butler to the practice squad.
    November 2, 2005	Waived cornerback Joey Thomas; claimed defensive back Jeremy Thornburg off waivers from the San Francisco 49ers.
    November 2, 2005	Signed linebacker Atari Bigby, fullback Greg Hanoian and wide receiver Reggie Harrell to the practice squad; released wide receiver Craig Bragg and linebacker Zax Woodfin.
    October 29, 2005	Placed safety Earl Little on injured reserve; signed running back Samkon Gado to the active roster.
    October 26, 2005	Placed running back Ahman Green on injured reserve; signed wide receiver Taco Wallace and re-signed running back Walt Williams; released wide receiver Jamal Jones.
    October 17, 2005	Signed running back Sam Gado to the practice squad; released running back Bobby Purify from the practice squad.
    October 11, 2005	Placed running back Najeh Davenport on injured reserve.
    October 6, 2005	Signed running back ReShard Lee; placed wide receiver Terrence Murphy on injured reserve.
    October 6, 2005	Signed wide receiver Jamal Jones to the active roster; signed guard Joe Hayes to the practice squad.
    October 5, 2005	Waived tight end Ben Steele.
    September 28, 2005	Signed running back Bobby Purify to the practice squad; released running back Antoineo Harris from the practice squad.
    September 22, 2005	Placed wide receiver Javon Walker on injured reserve with a torn ACL; re-signed tight end Ben Steele.
    September 8, 2005	Signed running back Antoineo Harris to the practice squad.
    September 7, 2005	Signed tight end Donald Lee; signed fullback Vonta Leach from the practice squad; released tight end Ben Steele and fullback Nick Luchey.
    September 6, 2005	Signed cornerbacks Patrick Dendy and Therrian Fontenot, wide receiver-kick returner Craig Bragg, fullback Vonta Leach, linebacker Zac Woodfin and wide receiver Chad Lucas to the practice squad.
    September 4, 2005	Acquired linebacker Robert Thomas from the St. Louis Rams for cornerback Chris Johnson; released quarterback J.T. O'Sullivan, running back Walt Williams, fullback Vonta Leach, wide receivers Craig Bragg, Sam Breeden, Jamal Jones and Andrae Thurman, tight end Sean McHugh, tackles-guards Brad Bedell and Joe Hayes, defensive tackles Cletidus Hunt and James Lee, defensive ends R-Kal Truluck and Seante Williams, linebackers Corey Jenkins, Nick McNeil and Ray Thompson and cornerbacks Chris Day and Lei
    September 1, 2005	Waived safety Julius Curry and linebacker Zac Woodfin; claimed linebacker Corey Jenkins off waivers from the Miami Dolphins.
    August 31, 2005	Placed linebacker Kurt Campbell and Steve Fleming on injured reserve.
    August 29, 2005	Released linebackers Hannibal Navies and Jeremiah Garrison, guard Matt O'Dwyer, guard-tackle Atlas Herrion, tight end Tory Humphrey, running back Derrick Johnese, wide receiver Chad Lucas, defensive tackles Quintene Newhouse and A.J. Lindsay and cornerback Patrick Dendy.
    August 25, 2005	Signed tight end Bubba Franks to a multi-year contract.
    August 24, 2005	Signed executive vice president-coach Mike Sherman to a two-year contract extension.
    August 18, 2005	Waived offensive tackle Brennan Curtin.
    August 17, 2005	Signed linebacker Jeremiah Garrison.
    August 14, 2005	Released safety Arturo Freeman; activated cornerback Chris Johnson from the physically-unable-to-perform list.
    August 8, 2005	Signed cornerback Charles Byrd and running back Joey Harris; waived punter Bryce Benekos.
    August 5, 2005	Signed running back Derrick Johnese; waived running back Chris Robertson.
    August 2, 2005	Signed tight end Tory Humphrey.
    July 31, 2005	Signed quarterback Aaron Rodgers, their first round pick.
    July 30, 2005	Signed defensive tackle Quintene Newhouse; waived wide receiver Chris Samp.
    July 29, 2005	Signed safety Nick Collins and wide receiver Terrence Murphy.
    June 22, 2005	Signed defensive end Michael Montgomery.
    June 20, 2005	Signed guard William Whitticker.
    June 18, 2005	Signed tight end Steve Fleming.
    June 15, 2005	Waived wide receiver-kick returner Kelvin Knight, linebacker Shawn Morgan and defensive tackle Doug Sims.
    June 11, 2005	Waived quarterback Scott McBrien.
    June 8, 2005	Signed wide receiver Chad Lucas.
    May 17, 2005	Signed offensive lineman Junius Coston.
    April 30, 2005	Waived linebacker Ike Emodi; signed running back Chaz Williams, receivers Vince Butler and Chris Samp, tight end Garrett Cross, offensive lineman Chris White, defensive tackle A.J. Lindsay, linebackers Roy Manning and Zac Woodfin, cornerback Leigh Torrence and punter Bryce Benekos.
    April 27, 2005	Re-signed linebacker Hannibal Navies; waived linebacker Steve Josue.
    April 26, 2005	Signed cornerback Patrick Dendy.
    April 23, 2005	Signed linebacker Ray Thompson, who had been with the Arizona Cardinals; re-signed tackle Kevin Barry and quarterback J.T. O'Sullivan.
    April 21, 2005	Matched the one-year offer sheet tendered to restricted free agent defensive end Aaron Kampman by the Minnesota Vikings.
    April 18, 2005	Re-signed quarterback Craig Nall.
    April 16, 2005	Signed safeties Arturo Freeman, who had been with the Miami Dolphins and Earl Little, who had been with the Cleveland Browns.
    April 14, 2005	Re-signed linebacker Paris Lenon.
    April 9, 2005	Waived wide receiver Mike Marker.
    April 5, 2005	Re-signed tight end Ben Steele.
    April 2, 2005	Re-signed running back Najeh Davenport.
    March 30, 2005	Re-signed defensive tackle Cullen Jenkins.
    March 25, 2005	Signed guard Matt O'Dwyer, who had been with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
    March 18, 2005	Signed tackle Adrian Klemm, who had been with the New England Patriots, to a multi-year contract.
    March 16, 2005	Re-signed tight end David Martin.
    March 16, 2005	Re-signed center Grey Ruegamer and safety Todd Franz.
    March 10, 2005	Terminated the contract of safety Darren Sharper
    March 4, 2005	Released cornerback Michael Hawthorne.
    March 2, 2005	Released guard Mike Wahle  
    January 15, 2005	Named Ted Thompson general manager and director of football operations.
     
  8. gopackgo

    gopackgo Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2006
    Messages:
    730
    Ratings:
    +0
    That's a lot of code.

    Why does rebuilding mean changing everything at once? Favre gives us the best chance to give Jennings the chance to learn. Having him pick up tips from Favre gives him tremendous potential. Rodgers can wait. He will have enough pressure on him to live up to Favre's potential. And I don't how many times it has been said to let the O-line mesh before bringing Rodgers in.

    By the way, Zero, hope you don't mind if I steal your picture.
     
  9. DePack

    DePack Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2005
    Messages:
    3,904
    Ratings:
    +1
    Good post. Besides when Favre does leave you're gonna have to rebuild again.
     
  10. gopackgo

    gopackgo Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2006
    Messages:
    730
    Ratings:
    +0
    I am hoping not. Hopefully we can draft a good running back to replace Green (I don't see Morency becoming the #1 RB) and the O-line can mesh together. Sneak into the playoffs.

    Optimism is great!
     
  11. calicheesehead

    calicheesehead Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2005
    Messages:
    742
    Ratings:
    +0
    Before we put any new QB in place we need two things to happen or it will be a mess with little success. 1) Solid OL to get the run game back on track/protect the QB/give the QB a chance to play action.2) Solid D to keep the team in the game and pressure off the QB.
     
  12. NDPackerFan

    NDPackerFan Cheesehead

    Joined:
    May 20, 2005
    Messages:
    2,253
    Ratings:
    +4
    Sounds a lot like the Steelers when Big Ben broke into the league...
     
  13. Greg C.

    Greg C. Cheesehead

    Joined:
    May 31, 2005
    Messages:
    2,856
    Ratings:
    +0
    I think Michael Silver makes a lot of good points in this article, even though he is somewhat overdramatic. Also, I think it would be hypocritical for the Packers to bench or trade Favre during the course of the season, and somewhat hypocritical for Favre to demand a trade during the season. Here is the quote from the article that struck me as really being on the money:

    I discussed this situation with a person who is extremely plugged into the Packers' organization, and he likened it to "one of those mismatched couples that stay together even though they don't really want to be in the relationship. But neither one wants to be the bad guy and end it, so on it goes."

    I think that sums it up right there.

    There are three things Thompson could've done when he got here. One was to try to win it all right now with Brett Favre. Another was to rebuild and try to either trade Favre or force him into retirement. This second one was not much of an option, because the fans would hate Thompson forever if he did that.

    So Thompson chose the third option, which was somewhere in between the others: Rebuild the team while trying to keep Favre on board. It is a very awkward way to go, but then, it is almost always awkward when a great QB nears the end of his career. John Elway was a rare exception. Regarding Favre, I think Thompson is making the best of a difficult situation. Whether or not Thompson proves to be a good GM overall is still to be decided.
     
  14. majikman

    majikman Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2006
    Messages:
    255
    Ratings:
    +0
    There was a 4th option Greg that would have been a win/win for everyone had TT chosen to take it.

    TT could have started the rebuilding AND given Favre a good offensive line and WR threats. All he had to do was sign a decent veteran lineman or two, and a good vet WR to compliment Driver earlier on in FA rather than having to scramble to try and do so now.

    I think TT really didn't care about winning now even with Brett Favre on his team, and that is where he made his fatal flaw. If you have a QB of Brett's caliber on your team, you should always try to put him in a position where he can win football games for your organization. It wouldn't have taken much effort, and it would have left plenty of $$ and resources to rebuild the defense, which is really where most of the Packers problems were after the o-line.
     
  15. Packnic

    Packnic Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2006
    Messages:
    2,454
    Ratings:
    +6
    Yeah thats all we had to do. come on guys its easy. just sign a decent veteran lineman and a WR and were going to the superbowl baby.

    and the fact that you think it wouldnt take much effort is what kills me. the NFL aint that easy bub. Everyone wants to win. but only one team gets the championship. and you show me how TT could have added the veteran lineman that we need, a WR, AND rebuild the defense with the little money he had. Then show me how easy it was, THEN SHOW ME HOW YOU CAN GUARENTEE IT WOULD WORK.

    How bout this solution. Bring in a defense, draft some talented lineman for the future and bring in a pro bowl WR for pennies. hmmm

    Wins equal job... Loses equal no job. If you think that TT doesnt really care about winning. well your just misinformed i guess.
     
  16. majikman

    majikman Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2006
    Messages:
    255
    Ratings:
    +0
    Packnic said:


    Easy.

    Re-sign Wahle in '05.

    In '06 sign one of the many veteran lineman that were available in FA.

    In '06 try to sign or trade for a vet WR that was available (Randel El, Branch, Stallworth, TO, Keyshawn, Moulds, etc..etc..)

    Poor TT. He had so little money and the evil Mike Sherman screwed him, and he was left on the side of the road like a little orphan in a Dickens novel. The money excuse was used last year. They had plenty of money this year.
     
  17. DePack

    DePack Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2005
    Messages:
    3,904
    Ratings:
    +1
    You know Picnic you are using my pro Sherman argument now for TT. Sherman has a great record but couldn't win the Super Bowl. I used to tell you that only one team outta 32 can win it all. Being competitive gives you a shot. We need to get to the point where we are competitive before we can even dream of a championship.

    I'm glad you were listening grasshopper.
     
  18. Cdnfavrefan

    Cdnfavrefan Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2006
    Messages:
    1,624
    Ratings:
    +0
    I think TT definately is doing whatever HE believes it takes to win. I just wish he would of wanted to do it with Jim Bates. Keep Bates and at least that possibly lessons the need for more help on D cause he knows how to get those guys playing. Not to put TT in the same class but wanting to win doesn't always mean much. See Matt Millen, you don't think he wants to win.
     
  19. Packnic

    Packnic Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2006
    Messages:
    2,454
    Ratings:
    +6
    i guess it just depends on how you believe we need to get to a competitive state, dicpack.
     
  20. DePack

    DePack Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2005
    Messages:
    3,904
    Ratings:
    +1
    dicpack??? That wasn't bad. Who helped you with that one?
     
  21. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2004
    Messages:
    11,903
    Ratings:
    +8
    copycat
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page