Dantes 2022 Draft Thread

[Schultz]

Have you ever read any of those charts? They do value 1st round picks much higher than anything else. There aren't enough 7th round picks in the draft to even get a 2nd rounder for them. So IMO your theory is incorrect.

 

[Poppa San]

I am not a great believer in those charts. Theoretically, you could just keep trading down until all you have are 7th round picks. I think there is a higher value on the 1st round picks. Especially at wide receiver this year for the top ones.

I haven't done draft day trade research to see if teams actually use them and as to how realistic they really are. The mock draft sites do let you load up on day 2 if you trade out of day one. I personally don't think anything after late 4th round is worth drafting. The odds of a player then seem no better than an UDFA. If I could throw them in to move up earlier, I'd be all for that. For every Donald Driver there is a Sam Shields.

 

[gopkrs]

I haven't done draft day trade research to see if teams actually use them and as to how realistic they really are. The mock draft sites do let you load up on day 2 if you trade out of day one. I personally don't think anything after late 4th round is worth drafting. The odds of a player then seem no better than an UDFA. If I could throw them in to move up earlier, I'd be all for that. For every Donald Driver there is a Sam Shields.

Yes. Except for getting that 1st W/O I could see trading down for seconds. And I was too strong with not believing in the trade formula. If your guy isn't there and there are a few you like a little lower, the formula will come in handy. Just that if someone is trading up to get their man, they might be willing to give more than what the formula is going to say. I agree with after the 4th. It is a crapshoot and not worth giving up probable quality.

 

[speakhands]

What a year to be in a position to likely take a Round 1 WR. This is the least easily ranked group in memory.

Currently, I have them ranked - for the purposes of the Packers rather than a generic team - roughly as follows:

1. Garrett Wilson
2. Chris Olave

3. Treylon Burks
4. George Pickens
5. Jameson Williams
6. Skyy Moore

7. Jahan Dotson
8. Drake London
9. Christian Watson
10. Khalil Shakir
11. Jalen Tolbert

I can honestly say that I wouldn't object to any of those 11 being the 1.22 or 1.28 pick. Although London or Watson being the pick would be a little disappointing to me.

 

[speakhands]

The one position that might be more ludicrous than WR is Edge.

Only five are seen as R1 locks (Hutch, Thib, Johnson, Walker, Karlaftis) and all of those will likely go before 1.22. But the next group is full of upside players any one of which could sneak into the first: Mafe, Bonito, Ojabo, Sam Williams.

 

[tynimiller]

The one position that might be more ludicrous than WR is Edge.

Only five are seen as R1 locks (Hutch, Thib, Johnson, Walker, Karlaftis) and all of those will likely go before 1.22. But the next group is full of upside players any one of which could sneak into the first: Mafe, Bonito, Ojabo, Sam Williams.

Logan Hall, Kingsley Enagbare and Drake Jackson as well as Cameron Thomas are solid 2nd rounders that all could sneak, but the ones with the most likelihood are Mafe, Ojabo (despite injury) and my EDGE6 personally which is Arnold Ebiketie out of Penn State.

 

[Dantés]

I've been compiling draftable names into sort of a horizontal big board of guys who I like, who I think the Packers will like, or both. Some positions I've been way more invested in than others. So I'm leaving out QB, RB, and CB altogether because I don't see them as pressing needs and I haven't watched a lick of those players. These are the rest, listed in a rough order of preference (not meant to be perfectly precise). These aren't comprehensive rankings-- some players are left out because they're unrealistic and others are left out because I don't personally think they fit, even though they're good players, but I could always be wrong about that of course.

Guys that I personally really like are in bold.

Tight End: With Tonyan and Lewis both in contract years, I think they could target a move TE, an in-line TE, or even both. There is a mixture of these two types of prospects in this list.

1. T. McBride, CSU
2. J. Woods, UVA
3. C. Otton, UW
4. C. Kolar, ISU
5. D. Bellinger, SDSU
6. J. Mitchell, VTU

Wide Receiver: I am prioritizing speed and ability to play consistently on the outside.

1. J. Williams, UA
2. G. Pickens, UGA
3. T. Burks, ARK
4. A. Pierce, CIN
5. C. Watson, NDSU
6. S. Moore, WMU
7. J. Tolbert, SAU
8. K. Shakir, BSU
9. B. Melton, RUT
10. K. Philips, UCLA
11. T. Thornton, BAY
12. K. Austin, ND
13. D. Gray, SMU
14. V. Jones, TENN

Offensive Line: I'm unsure of whether they view Jenkins (or even Nijman) as the future at RT or not. But many of these feel like Packer types. I think they're especially intrigued by Goedeke.

1. Z. Johnson, G/T, BC
2. T. Penning, T, UNI
3. T. Smith, T/G, TULSA
4. L. Goedeke, G/T, CMU
5. Z. Tom, OL, WF
6. L. Bruss, T/G, WISC
7. S. Rhyan, G/T, UCLA
8. J. Ezeudu, G/T, UNC
9. Z. Thomas, G/T, SDSU
10. A. Lucas, T, WSU
11. B. Jones, T, SUU
12. V. Lowe, T/G, ILL
13. C. Mays, G, TENN
14. T. Munford, T/G, OSU

 

[Dantés]

Defensive Line: The way that Barry wants to play defense, guys with size and length who can eat blocks will always be useful; guys who can provide some interior rush are also needed.

1. J. Davis, UGA
2. T. Jones, UCONN
3. P. Winfrey, OK
4. L. Hall, UH
5. D. Wyatt, UGA
6. J. Paschal, UK
7. D. Leal, TAMU
8. E. Uwazurike, IAST
9. Z. Carter, FLA
10. M. Butler, TENN
11. K. Davis, UCF
12. T. Booker, STAN
13. C. Brooks, CIN

Edge Rusher: The 3rd spot in the depth chart needs an upgrade. Someone who can stand up and drop a little bit would make sense, given the skill sets of the starters.

1. G. Karlaftis, PUR
2. A. Ebiketie, PSU
3. D. Jackson, USC
4. N. Bonitto, OK
5. C. Thomas, SDSU
6. M. Sanders, CIN
7. S. Williams, MISS
8. K. Enagbare, SC
9. A. Wright, UAB
10. D. Malone, WKU
11. C. Allen, UA
12. J. Gunter, CCU
13. D. Robinson, MIAOH
14. A. Barno, VTU

Linebacker: Quietly, one big way to improve the defense would be to upgrade over Krys Barnes. I'm intrigued to see how highly the Packers take a guy here. It's tough to project because football IQ matters so much at LB, but I did my best.

1. Q. Walker, UGA
2. C. Muma, WYO
3. T. Andersen, MSU
4. L. Chenal, WISC
5. B. Asamoah, OK
6. D. Beavers, CIN
7. M. Rose, IAST
8. D. Jackson, APP
9. J. Sanborn, WISC
10. M. Rodriguez, OKST
11. M. McFadden, UI
12. B. Spector, CLEM
13. J. Moon, FLA
14. C. Campbell, MISS

Safety: With both starters slated to hit FA, safeties of any variety could be in play. Guys who have skills to play slot or even boundary corner would obviously provide plus depth.

1. D. Hill, UM
2. J. Pitre, BAY
3. L. Cine, UGA
4. J. Brisker, PSU
5. N. Cross, MAR
6. B. Cook, CIN
7. K. Joseph, ILL
8. T. Anderson, TOL
9. A. Taylor, TENN
10. J. Woods, BAY
11. S. Monday, AUB
12. D. Belton, IA
13. J. Thomas, GTU

 

[Schultz]

Hopefully the Packers are watching film on cornerbacks. The depth there is awful. I am hoping they add a corner no later than pick #140.

 

[tynimiller]

Hopefully the Packers are watching film on cornerbacks. The depth there is awful. I am hoping they add a corner no later than pick #140.

This cornback class doesn’t have a deep well of likely year one contributors but I do like a lot of the prospect projects you can find about 140 to 150 and deeper. Guys that have the athletic skills but not the production…guys that seem to produce despite measurables maybe showing up…guy like Osaac Taylor Stuart that is coming out a year early in my opinion. Or some ot the smaller FCS or HBCU prospects.

 

[wist43]

Hopefully the Packers are watching film on cornerbacks. The depth there is awful. I am hoping they add a corner no later than pick #140.

I'd be surprised if they don't come away with at least 1 corner out of this draft.

I expect them to take a S fairly early too.

 

[Schultz]

That's why Tyni and I like D. Hill so much. He could provide time at slot and safety immediately.

 

[Dantés]

Hopefully the Packers are watching film on cornerbacks. The depth there is awful. I am hoping they add a corner no later than pick #140.

I’d be fine with them taking a corner wherever. But it isn’t as pressing a need and I hate trying to watch college corners.

 

[OldSchool101]

The more I look at this draft the more I like the idea of trading back with both 1 st round picks to attempt to get us something that looks similar to this:

2nd - 36
2nd - 45
2nd - 53
2nd - 59
3rd - 72
3rd - 83
3rd - 92
3rd - 98
4th
5th
7th
7th
7th

If we were able to get four top 100 players on both offense and defense in this draft I'd be thrilled.
I'm not a big fan of drafting in the 20's range. I just don't see much difference in physical abilities of players between 15-45.

I’ve noticed in several recent drafts that success rates at WR dropped off substantially after the top 90-100. There are more rare exceptions (Like McClaurin) but for the most part that a position we’d like to nab 2 inside #92 (at the latest). The 2nd Round seems to be the value Round at WR. Great players without the high cost.

Yet some positions such as iLB or RB end up producing much better values in that 3-5 Round areas.

 

[wist43]

That's why Tyni and I like D. Hill so much. He could provide time at slot and safety immediately.

I like Hill... I like Brisker more, but he's more strictly a Safety.


Hill can play man if called upon.

 

[tynimiller]

I’d be fine with them taking a corner wherever. But it isn’t as pressing a need and I hate trying to watch college corners.

I concur - another thought is one I hope a contact of mine is terribly wrong on is the concept that perhaps a Jaire extension is less likely than all of us assume and CB could actually be higher as a reserve safety plan than many think. I'm not a fan of taking an outside corner early either as it isn't a pressing need, and support the approach of only take should one see a drop and fall where they shouldn't be according to Gute's board - kind of similar to Stokes, it sounds like no one expected him to fall to us last year in house and we snatched him. If you see a McDuffie fall or if GB is enamored with Elam (I love the kid) it perhaps might be on the table at the right pick. I suspect we see one taken in the 4th or 5th however....but a pick like Daxton Hill probably relegates a CB pick to the 7th or UDFA territory given his tranfser ability between slot and safety.

 

[PikeBadger]

I like Hill... I like Brisker more, but he's more strictly a Safety.


Hill can play man if called upon.

I don't know if Brisker can or not but I want a guy back there that can cover people like Kittle, Andrews and Kelce. Savage has already proven that he cannot. I worry about these guys that just have straight line speed and are slow in lateral movement.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Hopefully the Packers are watching film on cornerbacks. The depth there is awful. I am hoping they add a corner no later than pick #140.

They have three great perimeter starters in Alexander, Stokes, and Douglas, but no true slot guy. Agreed they need depth, so hopefully they take someone in round 4 with slot experience. That may be cutting it too fine. They simply need quality depth. Injuries are gonna happen, or at least it's best to assume they will.

Finally, with the WR group up in the air, it's gonna probably be necessary to lean on the D more than ever. Again they have a good starting unit, with the exception of the front four where it's Clark and three other guys.

 

[Heyjoe4]

What a year to be in a position to likely take a Round 1 WR. This is the least easily ranked group in memory.

Currently, I have them ranked - for the purposes of the Packers rather than a generic team - roughly as follows:

1. Garrett Wilson
2. Chris Olave

3. Treylon Burks
4. George Pickens
5. Jameson Williams
6. Skyy Moore

7. Jahan Dotson
8. Drake London
9. Christian Watson
10. Khalil Shakir
11. Jalen Tolbert

I can honestly say that I wouldn't object to any of those 11 being the 1.22 or 1.28 pick. Although London or Watson being the pick would be a little disappointing to me.

Agreed. London reminds me too much of ESB and Watson too much MVS. Williams is really intriguing but unlikely to play until mid-season. A lot will depend on any other veteran(s) they can add and how the draft falls. I'd feel better if they could get Olave at #22. I think Burks is rd 2 guy. Wilson will be long gone. But if they could get Olave at #22, I'd grab Williams at #28 if he's there.

 

[Todd Princl]

Agreed. London reminds me too much of ESB and Watson too much MVS. Williams is really intriguing but unlikely to play until mid-season. A lot will depend on any other veteran(s) they can add and how the draft falls. I'd feel better if they could get Olave at #22. I think Burks is rd 2 guy. Wilson will be long gone. But if they could get Olave at #22, I'd grab Williams at #28 if he's there.

I am guessing that the top 5 receivers will all be gone. If that is the case I could see drafting 2 in the second.

 

[Arod2gjdd]

Pickens>Olave. Book it.

 

[Todd Princl]

Pickens>Olave. Book it.

A solid pass on Olave too. He doesn’t seem like the type of receiver that we draft. Randall Cobb was the exception. We like big guys that can block. Not these mighty mites.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I am guessing that the top 5 receivers will all be gone. If that is the case I could see drafting 2 in the second.

Yeah it makes no sense to reach for a WR if there is better value at another position of need. There are plenty of receivers in this draft, and even among the top 5, there aren't any locks.

 

[Heyjoe4]

The one position that might be more ludicrous than WR is Edge.

Only five are seen as R1 locks (Hutch, Thib, Johnson, Walker, Karlaftis) and all of those will likely go before 1.22. But the next group is full of upside players any one of which could sneak into the first: Mafe, Bonito, Ojabo, Sam Williams.

Whether you're looking at WR or Edge, there are 5 to 10 guys in each group who look promising. To me that means there are no sure things, well at least on the receiver side. I know Gluten likes to move around the board, but this is a good year to wait for someone to drop. It's gonna happen and it might not be a WR or Edge guy.

 

[wist43]

Where guys are projected to go does not necessarily reflect their value to every team.

It's a beauty contest - beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I don't have London even being a 1st round pick; whereas, Skyy Moore may not fit the preferred Packers mold, but he reminds me of Steve Smith, and I'd be fine with him at 28.

Also, there is projection involved. Williams is only dropping because of the knee, but longterm, if the doctors pass him, he's probably the first WR off the board.

Alec Peirce is another guy... I've seen him mocked in the 1st, I've seen him mocked in the 3rd. Personally, I think he has as much upside as anyone in the draft, and would be fine with him in the 1st.