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Changing of the guard on the DL

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by captainWIMM, Jun 29, 2014.

  1. captainWIMM

    captainWIMM Cheesehead

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    You haven´t provided any evidence that would suggest playing a different scheme would result in better numbers for the defense. The only thing you have done is provide some information about the percentages of teams lining up in a 2-4 formation (wherever you´ve got them from), in the process listing five teams that play a 4-3 defense and not providing any information about nine other 3-4 defenses.

    In addition you still haven´t answered my simple question about how you would cover either the TE or RB lining up with only one ILB.

    I have criticized Capers in the past and I´m not convinced it was the right move to hold on to him this offseason, but your obsession with the 2-4 formation being the only reason for the defensive shortcomings is getting more and more ridiculous with each of your posts.
     
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  2. wist43

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    As I said, if I didn't list a team, it is b/c they didn't play any 2-4 or 3-3.

    Since we play far more 2-4 than any team in the league, and we have one of the worst defenses in the league - perhaps there is a correlation??

    The sad reality is - it would be hard to produce any worse results running any other scheme, b/c afterall - we do, in fact, have one of the worst defenses in the league.

    If you want to continue to try and defend that - have at it.

    You didn't ask me how I would defend a TE and RB with only 1 ILB - you asked me how I would defend them with no ILB's. So I answered your question by saying that I would have a LB in the middle - and if you looked at the links I provided, I gave examples of how Capers used the 2-4 in the past to bring pressure with Matthews coming on the blitz from the ILB position.

    I also gave you examples of how Matthews dropped into coverage and we ended up with a sack by disguising the front and blitzing from the other side.

    You've chosen to ignore all of that, and march forward as obtuse as you can be.

    The 2-4 isn't the only reason we've labored on defense. Injuries are a valid excuse to some extent; the constant influx of youth over experience certainly plays a huge role; etc.

    But the 2-4 is the biggest outlier. I've demonstrated that very effectively.

    What is ridiculous is your, and every other rube on this forum being so drunk with Green and Gold Kool-Aid that you can't objectively analyze your team.

    We're done here.
     
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  3. ThxJackVainisi

    ThxJackVainisi Lifelong Packers Fanatic

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    No you haven’t. For example, you haven’t dealt with how effective it was in 2010.
    This is a good example of the immature child who can’t handle others disagreeing with him.
    We aren’t. You are.
     
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  4. armand34

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    I'm not letting them totally off the hook...but the D was on the field significantly more when Rodgers when out
     
  5. captainWIMM

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    It´s true the defense was on the field more often once Rodgers got hurt, but it´s not as significant as you might think (31:28 per game when Rodgers was out compared to 27:31 when he played).
     
  6. armand34

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    How many seconds does it take to score? Defense out there for 4 more minutes is a scoring drive
     
  7. captainWIMM

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    They were out there for four more minutes because they couldn´t stop anybody though, not necessarily because Rodgers was hurt.
     
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    You just gave me a stat w rodgers out showing an additional 4 minutes playtime for the d...you cannot say his absence didn't effect the d...I understand both were involved, but jeez ur getting stubborn on me
     
  9. captainWIMM

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    I just think that Rodgers´ injury shouldn´t be considered the main reason for the defense´s downfall in the second half of the season.
     
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