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<blockquote data-quote="HardRightEdge" data-source="post: 878715"><p>So, lets say one is inclined to project Jones as the #1 and Dillon as the #2, the seeming perspective of the folks I've been debating, while LaFluer follows through on wanting to get Ervin more involved in the offense. For point of reference, Ervin ran the ball three times last season, including twice in the playoffs, for 10, 18 and 7 yards after coming in at week 13 cold with respect to learning the system. It is not implausible at all that Ervin would serve as the emergency #3 to buy an extra game day roster spot which are always at a premium, regardess of whether one more non-OL can be added to the game day roster in 2020.</p><p></p><p>I'm not sure if anybody noticed, but after Ervin was acquired for week 13, Dexter Williams was not game day active except for week 17 when Jamaal Williams was out with a shoulder injury. <strong>Ervin was already the emergency game day #3 last year from the day he showed up.</strong></p><p></p><p>So, if a plausible game day projection of Jones as #1 and Dillon as #2 comes to pass, the primary reason to think Ervin would be the default #3, a guy already on the game day roster as a returner, is because you would not want to <strong>pay Williams who has $2 mil in cap savings and whatever you might get in trade</strong> to sit on the inactive list every week as a #4, just in case.</p><p></p><p>I could be wrong, of course, since you sure wouldn't want to draft A.J. Dillion in the second round but they did it anyway. But I'm talking about a plausible baseline expectation here assuming Dillion makes it to #2, which is of course not certain. If he can't beat out Williams for #2 by opening day, or Jones or Ervin is injured come opening day, that's another matter entirely.</p><p></p><p>If Williams was still playing on his rookie contract amount of $750,000 and had not gotten the Proven Performance Escalator for 2020 (a thing many folks are not even aware of, which Jones also received) I would not have raised the issue. $750,000 is barely more than what Dexter Williams was paid as a rookie to sit on the inactive list for all but 4 games last year, and I don't have a problem with that.</p><p></p><p>I was aware of the game day roster expansion for 2020 as noted in a previous post. Carrying 8 OL on the game day roster is a team option which allows for the other extra non-OL game day spot. Since I can think of no reason not to avail oneself of that option, we should expect every team to avail themselves every week. After all, you're paying these guys the same money regardless of whether they are game day active or not.</p><p></p><p>Nonetheless, one more non-OL game day spot doesn't alter the reality of how difficult it is to put togehter a game day roster to cover all the bases: besides starters, regular rotational guys, special teams and guys who can give players a blow for a few snaps to keep their snap counts reasonable, there is the critical factor of covering at least two in-game injuries in each position group. I'm not sure how many people understand that when positional versatility is discussed as a player asset it is most acutely for this reason. For example, having Tramon Williams who could swing to safety in a pinch allowed the Packers to carry only three safeties with Redmond on the game day roster and still cover for injuries to both Amos and Savage, presumably with Sullivan taking Williams slot spot.</p><p></p><p>So, when the 53 man roster is set we can evaluate who the the swing men are, how those two injuries per position group can be covered, and consequently what the game day roster might look like. Until then, how two injuries in each position group can be covered is up in the air as will the luxury of carrying 4 RBs on game day.</p><p></p><p>Now for some other rule change digressions that affect the game day roster at the margins, whether in Green Bay or elsewhere:</p><p></p><p>In 2020 a team can elevate up to two guys from the practice squad to the active roster each week without cutting anybody and then send them back to the practice squad without having to clear waivers. That only makes sense if you plan on putting those guys on the game day roster presumably as short term emergency injury replacements even they don't get off the bench, such as a #4 RB eleveated to #3 emergency due to an injury in the top 3.</p><p></p><p>This means the active roster is actually a quasi-55 and not 53. The catch is a PS player cannot be elevated for consective weeks. In short, for deep bench like a #4 RB, a PS guy can fill that role on a short term basis for extremely cheap. That could be Dexter Williams as the #4 if they think he'd clear waivers to the PS at the start of the season. He could then be elevated to emergency #3 on a game day roster to cover for a one game injury, as he did in place of Jamaal Williams in week 17 last year.</p><p></p><p>There is another PS hitch. A team can now have up to two players on the PS with <strong>unlimited </strong>accrued seasons at a higher fixed PS pay of $12,000 per week in 2020<strong>. </strong>So, a grissled vet that can't land a job at a higher vet minimum who wants another shot at the show can be another alternative for the PS deep bench, immediately elevatable to the roster and game day activation in an emergency. At the same time the PS has been expanded from 10 to 12 players. A comprehensive description of the new PS rules can be read here:</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2020/5/5/21246410/understanding-the-nfls-new-roster-rules-beginning-in-2020" target="_blank">https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2020/5/5/21246410/understanding-the-nfls-new-roster-rules-beginning-in-2020</a></p><p></p><p>I don't have to tell you this, but making projections about what will happen rather than what you think should happen are two entirely different things, and the "will happen" requires you to try to channel the coach and GM thinking, including the cap implications and what you expect to get for what you pay. I'm still way back before the beginning of all that trying to explain how a FB is not RB in any meaningful way and that calling guys flankers and split ends drawn from the tradition X-Y-Z positional designations is so antiquated that it says slot receivers don't exist and TEs don't play in the slot or out wide, or that many WRs play all positions interchangeably. <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/rolleyes.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll Eyes :rolleyes:" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HardRightEdge, post: 878715"] So, lets say one is inclined to project Jones as the #1 and Dillon as the #2, the seeming perspective of the folks I've been debating, while LaFluer follows through on wanting to get Ervin more involved in the offense. For point of reference, Ervin ran the ball three times last season, including twice in the playoffs, for 10, 18 and 7 yards after coming in at week 13 cold with respect to learning the system. It is not implausible at all that Ervin would serve as the emergency #3 to buy an extra game day roster spot which are always at a premium, regardess of whether one more non-OL can be added to the game day roster in 2020. I'm not sure if anybody noticed, but after Ervin was acquired for week 13, Dexter Williams was not game day active except for week 17 when Jamaal Williams was out with a shoulder injury. [B]Ervin was already the emergency game day #3 last year from the day he showed up.[/B] So, if a plausible game day projection of Jones as #1 and Dillon as #2 comes to pass, the primary reason to think Ervin would be the default #3, a guy already on the game day roster as a returner, is because you would not want to [B]pay Williams who has $2 mil in cap savings and whatever you might get in trade[/B] to sit on the inactive list every week as a #4, just in case. I could be wrong, of course, since you sure wouldn't want to draft A.J. Dillion in the second round but they did it anyway. But I'm talking about a plausible baseline expectation here assuming Dillion makes it to #2, which is of course not certain. If he can't beat out Williams for #2 by opening day, or Jones or Ervin is injured come opening day, that's another matter entirely. If Williams was still playing on his rookie contract amount of $750,000 and had not gotten the Proven Performance Escalator for 2020 (a thing many folks are not even aware of, which Jones also received) I would not have raised the issue. $750,000 is barely more than what Dexter Williams was paid as a rookie to sit on the inactive list for all but 4 games last year, and I don't have a problem with that. I was aware of the game day roster expansion for 2020 as noted in a previous post. Carrying 8 OL on the game day roster is a team option which allows for the other extra non-OL game day spot. Since I can think of no reason not to avail oneself of that option, we should expect every team to avail themselves every week. After all, you're paying these guys the same money regardless of whether they are game day active or not. Nonetheless, one more non-OL game day spot doesn't alter the reality of how difficult it is to put togehter a game day roster to cover all the bases: besides starters, regular rotational guys, special teams and guys who can give players a blow for a few snaps to keep their snap counts reasonable, there is the critical factor of covering at least two in-game injuries in each position group. I'm not sure how many people understand that when positional versatility is discussed as a player asset it is most acutely for this reason. For example, having Tramon Williams who could swing to safety in a pinch allowed the Packers to carry only three safeties with Redmond on the game day roster and still cover for injuries to both Amos and Savage, presumably with Sullivan taking Williams slot spot. So, when the 53 man roster is set we can evaluate who the the swing men are, how those two injuries per position group can be covered, and consequently what the game day roster might look like. Until then, how two injuries in each position group can be covered is up in the air as will the luxury of carrying 4 RBs on game day. Now for some other rule change digressions that affect the game day roster at the margins, whether in Green Bay or elsewhere: In 2020 a team can elevate up to two guys from the practice squad to the active roster each week without cutting anybody and then send them back to the practice squad without having to clear waivers. That only makes sense if you plan on putting those guys on the game day roster presumably as short term emergency injury replacements even they don't get off the bench, such as a #4 RB eleveated to #3 emergency due to an injury in the top 3. This means the active roster is actually a quasi-55 and not 53. The catch is a PS player cannot be elevated for consective weeks. In short, for deep bench like a #4 RB, a PS guy can fill that role on a short term basis for extremely cheap. That could be Dexter Williams as the #4 if they think he'd clear waivers to the PS at the start of the season. He could then be elevated to emergency #3 on a game day roster to cover for a one game injury, as he did in place of Jamaal Williams in week 17 last year. There is another PS hitch. A team can now have up to two players on the PS with [B]unlimited [/B]accrued seasons at a higher fixed PS pay of $12,000 per week in 2020[B]. [/B]So, a grissled vet that can't land a job at a higher vet minimum who wants another shot at the show can be another alternative for the PS deep bench, immediately elevatable to the roster and game day activation in an emergency. At the same time the PS has been expanded from 10 to 12 players. A comprehensive description of the new PS rules can be read here: [URL]https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2020/5/5/21246410/understanding-the-nfls-new-roster-rules-beginning-in-2020[/URL] I don't have to tell you this, but making projections about what will happen rather than what you think should happen are two entirely different things, and the "will happen" requires you to try to channel the coach and GM thinking, including the cap implications and what you expect to get for what you pay. I'm still way back before the beginning of all that trying to explain how a FB is not RB in any meaningful way and that calling guys flankers and split ends drawn from the tradition X-Y-Z positional designations is so antiquated that it says slot receivers don't exist and TEs don't play in the slot or out wide, or that many WRs play all positions interchangeably. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]
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