2024 3rd round #88 MarShawn Lloyd RB

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

Maybe marginal return on Burks, but not good, at least for me.

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We should've drafted Cunningham his teammate at Vandy.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Burks is the only one I’d argue for being a good prospect and pick relatively for expected return of a third.

I'd agree with that if he had been taken in rounds 5-7. At those spots, the pick would roughly equate to value. But I expect more from a 3rd rounder than what Burks produced. And that's just a gut feel. I don't have his career stats.

 

[tynimiller]

I have for a long time now come to the realization at least for me, and prospect expectations - Anything after about the first 50, except with OL it very rapidly because a guessing game and people have unrealistic expectations of many prospects.

 

[Half Empty]

I'd agree with that if he had been taken in rounds 5-7. At those spots, the pick would roughly equate to value. But I expect more from a 3rd rounder than what Burks produced. And that's just a gut feel. I don't have his career stats.

Burks Here you go.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Burks Here you go.

I'd even go as far to say, as a Packer....Here you go....

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[Heyjoe4]

I have for a long time now come to the realization at least for me, and prospect expectations - Anything after about the first 50, except with OL it very rapidly because a guessing game and people have unrealistic expectations of many prospects.

I think you're right. And add to that - no two drafts are even close to being alike. So evaluating whether, say, a 3rd round pick was worthy of being picked in the 3rd round - any answer would be too subjective to be useful.

As for the OL - yeah it does seem like some real gems can be had in just about any round. Keeping it close to home - Rasheed Walker was 7th round, and Bahktiari was, I believe, 4th round. And those aren't unique.

 

[OldSchool101]

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98​	Richard Rodgers​

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94​	Ty Montgomery​

88 Kyler Fackrell

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93​	Montravius Adams​

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88​	Oren Burks​

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75​	Jace Sternberger​

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94​	Josiah Deguara​

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85​	Amari Rodgers​

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92​	Sean Rhyan​

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78​	Tucker Kraft​

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91​	Ty'Ron Hopper​

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88​	MarShawn Lloyd​

This is our last 10 Drafts in Round 3
I put them in several categories.
-Guys that have proved to be worthy of their draft placement or close
-Guys that contributed but were slightly below perceived value
-Guys that did not come close to their 3rd Round Expectations IN GB
-Guys too new to tell either way

Really not as bad as we’ve made it out to be imo. No we didn’t hit on a Probowl caliber player , I get it.
Yet we have roughly 1/3 1/3 1/3
Players who lived up
Players who contributed but slightly below
Players who would otherwise be considered busts.

That list to me is not awful. It’s actually probably normal. Maybe a C-?? What do you guys think??
I’m merely guessing compared to the league mean. It helps (for myself anyway) to just lay it out like this. My opinion is I might be complaining a little too much. If we get 1 of the 2 of Hopper or Lloyd to go bold? I’d say we’re league average considering mostly later Rd3

 

[tynimiller]

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Really not as bad as we’ve made it out to be imo. No we didn’t hit on a Probowl caliber player , I get it.

The "curse" has been blown out of scale due to the unrealistic expectations of many fans.

I will say the third round is tricky...because you might still be in that realm of having a college prospect that is HIGHLY productive, but unless your scouting department is savvy and has picked up on items that are markers for failure you think you're getting something far more special than you really are.

 

[OldSchool101]

The "curse" has been blown out of scale due to the unrealistic expectations of many fans.

I will say the third round is tricky...because you might still be in that realm of having a college prospect that is HIGHLY productive, but unless your scouting department is savvy and has picked up on items that are markers for failure you think you're getting something far more special than you really are.

Yeah. I agree. I just think at #88 or #95 or whatnot that’s a coin flip. If you get 5 out of 10 across 10 drafts probably ok. The only thing I would say is by the time we’ve drafted double digit numbers of 3rd Rounders over a Decade of sample? Probably should have 1 playing way above expectations, which we really didn’t have either. This my C C- grade

If the bulk of our drafts were at #65 or #72 or #77 then ok.. we probably should get more in that 60% success rate. #95 overall might as well be an early Day 3 prospect. It’s pretty picked over edging near 100 overall. If we still are able to get 1 good Starter from Hopper or Lloyd by year 2?

I think we’re fine. I’ve personally been a little disappointed in Rhyan. I thought he would be a mainstay starter by now.Yet Fackrell turned out to be pretty good. I thought Monty played pretty good as that utility hybrid player he was a good athlete in all phases, then went a little rogue out of nowhere. Deguara showed signs and then fizzled. Stern never took off. Burks was banged up initially and then I thought playing out of his natural Safety position where he excelled. They were trying to turn him into a project. Amari Rodgers was a total wasted pick. Lol

Our 2nd Round seems to be more magic and our 4th-5th rounds have been above average. It all buffs out

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

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98​	Richard Rodgers​

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94​	Ty Montgomery​

88 Kyler Fackrell

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93​	Montravius Adams​

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88​	Oren Burks​

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75​	Jace Sternberger​

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94​	Josiah Deguara​

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85​	Amari Rodgers​

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92​	Sean Rhyan​

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78​	Tucker Kraft​

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91​	Ty'Ron Hopper​

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88​	MarShawn Lloyd​

This is our last 10 Drafts in Round 3
I put them in several categories.
-Guys that have proved to be worthy of their draft placement or close
-Guys that contributed but were slightly below perceived value
-Guys that did not come close to their 3rd Round Expectations IN GB
-Guys too new to tell either way

Really not as bad as we’ve made it out to be imo. No we didn’t hit on a Probowl caliber player , I get it.
Yet we have roughly 1/3 1/3 1/3
Players who lived up
Players who contributed but slightly below
Players who would otherwise be considered busts.

That list to me is not awful. It’s actually probably normal. Maybe a C-?? What do you guys think??
I’m merely guessing compared to the league mean. It helps (for myself anyway) to just lay it out like this. My opinion is I might be complaining a little too much. If we get 1 of the 2 of Hopper or Lloyd to go bold? I’d say we’re league average considering mostly later Rd3

The "3rd round curse" that I tend to refer to, is that of Gute. I don't include TT's draft picks in that "curse".

I guess I would disagree with your classification of DeGuara. We got more out an UDFA TE, Robert Tonyan. A 3rd round TE should have a decent (not great) career or at least 4 seasons, with his team. A guy like Richard Rodgers would be what I would call an expected 3rd round TE.

Hopefully Rhyan, Kraft, Hopper and Lloyd break the curse. However, I still say that the 4 guys before them, that Gute used 3rd round picks on, ended up being bad investments for the Packers, with maybe Burks being closer to an almost average return on investment.

 

[Heyjoe4]

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98​	Richard Rodgers​

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94​	Ty Montgomery​

88 Kyler Fackrell

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​

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93​	Montravius Adams​

​

88​	Oren Burks​

​

75​	Jace Sternberger​

​

94​	Josiah Deguara​

​

85​	Amari Rodgers​

​

92​	Sean Rhyan​

​

78​	Tucker Kraft​

​

91​	Ty'Ron Hopper​

​

88​	MarShawn Lloyd​

This is our last 10 Drafts in Round 3
I put them in several categories.
-Guys that have proved to be worthy of their draft placement or close
-Guys that contributed but were slightly below perceived value
-Guys that did not come close to their 3rd Round Expectations IN GB
-Guys too new to tell either way

Really not as bad as we’ve made it out to be imo. No we didn’t hit on a Probowl caliber player , I get it.
Yet we have roughly 1/3 1/3 1/3
Players who lived up
Players who contributed but slightly below
Players who would otherwise be considered busts.

That list to me is not awful. It’s actually probably normal. Maybe a C-?? What do you guys think??
I’m merely guessing compared to the league mean. It helps (for myself anyway) to just lay it out like this. My opinion is I might be complaining a little too much. If we get 1 of the 2 of Hopper or Lloyd to go bold? I’d say we’re league average considering mostly later Rd3

Thanks for putting it together. Seeing it in one place IMO shows the futility of the round for the Packers. Kraft is the #1 TE now, I think, so he's certainly been a value. Ty Montgomery gives me a headache. Other than the Hail Mary reception in Detroit, Richard Rodgers reminds me of the words "catch and fall". That's all I got. I hope Kraft, Hopper and Lloyd can turn this around a bit.

 

[Heyjoe4]

The "curse" has been blown out of scale due to the unrealistic expectations of many fans.

I will say the third round is tricky...because you might still be in that realm of having a college prospect that is HIGHLY productive, but unless your scouting department is savvy and has picked up on items that are markers for failure you think you're getting something far more special than you really are.

Yeah "curse" is too strong a word to use. "Futility" might be better. I certainly can't complain with how the GMs have drafted over the years. And the draft should be taken as a whole, rather than one round.

And you pointed out earlier that after #50, it's a bit of a crap shoot anyway.

 

[PikeBadger]

Thanks for putting it together. Seeing it in one place IMO shows the futility of the round for the Packers. Kraft is the #1 TE now, I think, so he's certainly been a value. Ty Montgomery gives me a headache. Other than the Hail Mary reception in Detroit, Richard Rodgers reminds me of the words "catch and fall". That's all I got. I hope Kraft, Hopper and Lloyd can turn this around a bit.

Montgomery had a pretty long NFL career. I think he played 8 or 9 years.

 

[OldSchool101]

Montgomery had a pretty long NFL career. I think he played 8 or 9 years.

I liked Ty for the most part. Kinda hard to defend him on insubordination that cost us a legitimate shot to Win a game.
As whole he was a good athlete. Loved how he could play RB also. He was actually pretty productive for a lyre 3rd Round pick while in GB.
I also think there’s some draft separation between a top 10 type
3rd Rounder and picking 30th in order. I expect more from a #65 overall than a #95 overall etc. picking late Didn’t help our cause.

 

[Half Empty]

Montgomery had a pretty long NFL career. I think he played 8 or 9 years.

Stats
9 years, five teams, one solid year.

 

[Voyageur]

Drafting a team, at any level, isn't easy. Take my word for it. It's a matter of making sure you can find players who can do what needs to be done, on the field, at every position.

 

[OldSchool101]

I was just thinking about Lloyd. His 4 weeks minimum is up. I wonder if he’ll be back at practice. Haven’t heard a peep about him lately.

 

[milani]

Montgomery had a pretty long NFL career. I think he played 8 or 9 years.

Richard had good hands but did not have stretch speed. I believe he had a big TD catch from Rodgers about 10 years ago in a playoff game vs. Dallas. Ty was supposed to be a wideout when he started and strangely became a feature back. Ben Simms reminded me of David Crabtree today. Why cover him? So no one covers him.

 

[DoURant]

It's going to be difficult for him to get touches the way these guys are playing. They actually have the luxury to be a little more conservative with him coming back, allowing him to get completely healthy if they want.

 

[OldSchool101]

It's going to be difficult for him to get touches the way these guys are playing. They actually have the luxury to be a little more conservative with him coming back, allowing him to get completely healthy if they want.

Sure that makes sense. Just not much information of any kind good or bad. It’s a good problem to have having our 3rd Round RB in the Wings. We look to have a pretty good RB room this season as far as depth.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Stats
9 years, five teams, one solid year.

Thanks for the reminder HE and Pike. Yeah he was a pretty unremarkable player. I guess a lot of us will remember him for running a kickoff out when he was told not to. Somehow he got sideways with MM. Que sera sera. 9 years is still a decent career in the NFL.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Sure that makes sense. Just not much information of any kind good or bad. It’s a good problem to have having our 3rd Round RB in the Wings. We look to have a pretty good RB room this season as far as depth.

This is as good a time as any to say how wrong I was about Wilson. Maybe I wasn't watching or whatever but I didn't hold him in high regard. Another time I'm happy to be wrong. And yeah, I was wrong about Love too. Good thing I'm not a GM in the NFL..... Hats off to all of you who saw the potential in these guys.

Anyway, I like DoURant's take on Lloyd. Give him some carries here and there - they will be tough to come by considering how well Jacobs and Wilson are playing. But get him involved. He's still a rookie and a RB's life is notoriously short, so limiting him this year won't hurt him.

Now he may be too good for a #3 RB. Won't find out until he gets some touches. And RB's get hurt a lot, so there may be some opportunities and it's good to have a solid player in the fold. That's a long way of saying Lloyd's draft position shouldn't be reason to mess with a group that's working out well. He'll get his touches.

 

[AmishMafia]

Thanks for the reminder HE and Pike. Yeah he was a pretty unremarkable player. I guess a lot of us will remember him for running a kickoff out when he was told not to. Somehow he got sideways with MM. Que sera sera. 9 years is still a decent career in the NFL.

IIRC the average career is 3.5 years. It seems remarkable for a player to get 9 years out of such modest production.

 

[Heyjoe4]

IIRC the average career is 3.5 years. It seems remarkable for a player to get 9 years out of such modest production.

Yeah that's a good point. If I remember correctly, Montgomery was drafted as a WR and they started to play him as a RB and a kick returner. I don't know how he was used once he left the Packers. His longevity may have something to do with his all-around usefulness rather than just as a RB. 9 years still surprised me, but hey, good for him.

 

[AmishMafia]

Yeah that's a good point. If I remember correctly, Montgomery was drafted as a WR and they started to play him as a RB and a kick returner. I don't know how he was used once he left the Packers. His longevity may have something to do with his all-around usefulness rather than just as a RB. 9 years still surprised me, but hey, good for him.

Bob Ueker thinks he should be in the HOF for his play. He says guys like Willie Mays and Hank Aaron are there but they had talent. He managed to have a long career in the majors with very little talent and that was a far greater achievement than what Mays and Aaron did.