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<blockquote data-quote="El Guapo" data-source="post: 450993" data-attributes="member: 5830"><p>I agree that Sanders was a better pass defender than Woodson, no question, but not a better cornerback. That's an important difference. Furthermore, you started your arguEment by saying that Sanders was a better corner but then immediately backed it up by saying it was because of his punt return ability. That has nothing to do with being a cornerback. That has to do with being an all-around player. That's like saying that Jarrett Bush is better cornerback than Woodson and Sanders because he makes more special teams tackles. It doesn't make any sense, at least not in English.</p><p> </p><p>As for game changing, the stats you provided disproved your theory. Turnovers change games more than punt returns because they take the ball away from the other team. A punt return <em>can</em> be a game changer if he scores. Deion only had six TDs off of punt returns (3 more off of KR), so if you add all of those to his turnovers he's still only at 19 game-changing plays versus Woodson's 28 turnovers. Maybe you could argue that some of Deion's PRs set up touchdowns, but now you're walking on thin ice.</p><p> </p><p>This all reminds me of the Barry Sanders vs Emmitt Smith debate. Sanders was a better runner, more electric. But in the running back position, Smith was better. He could catch and block just as good as he could run so he was better at his position even though he wasn't the best at running. Same with Sanders vs Woodson. Sanders was a great cover guy but Woodson does it all top notch - pass defending, run defense, turnovers, sacks....and if you want to add the non-cornerback stuff on top (like PR and KR), then you must consider that Woodson is twice as nice and ten times as humble as someone who named himself Primetime.</p><p> </p><p>As for whether Woodson is the greatest of all time? I'm not a fan of making those distinctions because you can't. It's just an arguEment. Woodson is easily in the top5 of all time and that's good enough for me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="El Guapo, post: 450993, member: 5830"] I agree that Sanders was a better pass defender than Woodson, no question, but not a better cornerback. That's an important difference. Furthermore, you started your arguEment by saying that Sanders was a better corner but then immediately backed it up by saying it was because of his punt return ability. That has nothing to do with being a cornerback. That has to do with being an all-around player. That's like saying that Jarrett Bush is better cornerback than Woodson and Sanders because he makes more special teams tackles. It doesn't make any sense, at least not in English. As for game changing, the stats you provided disproved your theory. Turnovers change games more than punt returns because they take the ball away from the other team. A punt return [I]can[/I] be a game changer if he scores. Deion only had six TDs off of punt returns (3 more off of KR), so if you add all of those to his turnovers he's still only at 19 game-changing plays versus Woodson's 28 turnovers. Maybe you could argue that some of Deion's PRs set up touchdowns, but now you're walking on thin ice. This all reminds me of the Barry Sanders vs Emmitt Smith debate. Sanders was a better runner, more electric. But in the running back position, Smith was better. He could catch and block just as good as he could run so he was better at his position even though he wasn't the best at running. Same with Sanders vs Woodson. Sanders was a great cover guy but Woodson does it all top notch - pass defending, run defense, turnovers, sacks....and if you want to add the non-cornerback stuff on top (like PR and KR), then you must consider that Woodson is twice as nice and ten times as humble as someone who named himself Primetime. As for whether Woodson is the greatest of all time? I'm not a fan of making those distinctions because you can't. It's just an arguEment. Woodson is easily in the top5 of all time and that's good enough for me. [/QUOTE]
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