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<blockquote data-quote="GreenBlood" data-source="post: 317071" data-attributes="member: 1198"><p>Oh no. Until you give a kicker a competent holder, you don't know what you have in him. A bunch of people want that Nebraska kid. Great! They want to sign an "elite" kicker from around the league. Fine. But whoever that kicker might be, if you give him an inexperienced holder like Masthay, or Kapinos last year, he'll struggle and that is a FACT.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sorry, but kicking a soccer ball doesn't have the same complexities that go into a field goal. There are no holders in soccer.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Absolutely not true at all. The best kickers have good holders, you still seem to want to downplay the importance of the holder, which indicates that your soccer expertise has NOT given you the understanding of field goal kicking that you think you have. You seem to think that all holders are equal, but the truth of the matter is that there is a wide disparity between the best and worst holders. Here's a short article about Vanderjagt's holder he had for several years, Hunter Smith.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://blog.redskins.com/2009/08/02/sunday-august-2-hunter-smith-greatest-holder-of-all-time/" target="_blank">Sunday, August 2: Hunter Smith, Greatest (Holder) Of All Time?</a></p><p></p><p>Go here to see exactly what happened when Vandy went to the Cowboys, who gave him an inexperience holder, like Crosby has had the past two years:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/V/vandemik01.htm" target="_blank">Mike Vanderjagt NFL & AFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com</a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's because Slocum wants him kicking the ball high to give the coverage more time to get downfield. Before Slocum started that crap, he was 6th in the league over his first 3 seasons in touchbacks. Another reason is because returners aren't afraid to return it from 5 yards deep in the endzone. The touchback thing is 100% on Slocum. </p><p></p><p>And if you STILL don't think Crosby has a big leg, consider this 69-yard FG attempt in cold weather with a strong wind in his face:</p><p></p><p>[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiAR0h6LBsQ]YouTube - Mason Crosby 69 yard FG[/ame]</p><p></p><p>By the way, for those who like to point the the fact that he has never had an 80% season, if he didn't have such a strong leg, he'd have two of them. If Crosby had not been asked to attempt to break the NFL record by 6 yards with the wind in his face (which he almost did anyway), he would have had an 81.8% success rate for 2008. If he had actually made it, he would have been at 82.3%. That's what happens when you have a guy like Flynn as your holder for a full season.</p><p></p><p>In 2007, he also had 2 attempts from 60+ yards, which brought his overall percentage under 80%. Most kickers aren't asked to try those because they don't have the leg for it.</p><p></p><p>But what happened when they took Flynn away in 2009-10? His percentage dropped 5-6 percent. (6-7% if you exclude 60+ yarders from the equation). I'm sorry folks; the naysayers can say what they want, but all of the actual evidence indicates that we have a pretty good kicker in Crosby with a pretty damn lousy holder the past two years.</p><p></p><p>It would make a whole hell of a lot more sense if instead of screaming to can Crosby, people were screaming to give the holding job back to Flynn.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreenBlood, post: 317071, member: 1198"] Oh no. Until you give a kicker a competent holder, you don't know what you have in him. A bunch of people want that Nebraska kid. Great! They want to sign an "elite" kicker from around the league. Fine. But whoever that kicker might be, if you give him an inexperienced holder like Masthay, or Kapinos last year, he'll struggle and that is a FACT. Sorry, but kicking a soccer ball doesn't have the same complexities that go into a field goal. There are no holders in soccer. Absolutely not true at all. The best kickers have good holders, you still seem to want to downplay the importance of the holder, which indicates that your soccer expertise has NOT given you the understanding of field goal kicking that you think you have. You seem to think that all holders are equal, but the truth of the matter is that there is a wide disparity between the best and worst holders. Here's a short article about Vanderjagt's holder he had for several years, Hunter Smith. [url=http://blog.redskins.com/2009/08/02/sunday-august-2-hunter-smith-greatest-holder-of-all-time/]Sunday, August 2: Hunter Smith, Greatest (Holder) Of All Time?[/url] Go here to see exactly what happened when Vandy went to the Cowboys, who gave him an inexperience holder, like Crosby has had the past two years: [url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/V/vandemik01.htm]Mike Vanderjagt NFL & AFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url] That's because Slocum wants him kicking the ball high to give the coverage more time to get downfield. Before Slocum started that crap, he was 6th in the league over his first 3 seasons in touchbacks. Another reason is because returners aren't afraid to return it from 5 yards deep in the endzone. The touchback thing is 100% on Slocum. And if you STILL don't think Crosby has a big leg, consider this 69-yard FG attempt in cold weather with a strong wind in his face: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiAR0h6LBsQ]YouTube - Mason Crosby 69 yard FG[/ame] By the way, for those who like to point the the fact that he has never had an 80% season, if he didn't have such a strong leg, he'd have two of them. If Crosby had not been asked to attempt to break the NFL record by 6 yards with the wind in his face (which he almost did anyway), he would have had an 81.8% success rate for 2008. If he had actually made it, he would have been at 82.3%. That's what happens when you have a guy like Flynn as your holder for a full season. In 2007, he also had 2 attempts from 60+ yards, which brought his overall percentage under 80%. Most kickers aren't asked to try those because they don't have the leg for it. But what happened when they took Flynn away in 2009-10? His percentage dropped 5-6 percent. (6-7% if you exclude 60+ yarders from the equation). I'm sorry folks; the naysayers can say what they want, but all of the actual evidence indicates that we have a pretty good kicker in Crosby with a pretty damn lousy holder the past two years. It would make a whole hell of a lot more sense if instead of screaming to can Crosby, people were screaming to give the holding job back to Flynn. [/QUOTE]
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