Ted Thompson:year 2

dxbfan wrote:

This is the best quote I've seen on this forum.

I'd say TT is about 70/30.

70% bad or questionable moves and
30% decent moves that may or will work out.

ill call him and let him know your thoughts, cuz im sure he cares.

I'd also say TT is 70/30
70% of his moves we don't know if they passed or failed
30% of his moves we can judge
Conclusion for me is I can't judge him yet cause I only got 30% of his results in yet
Only in Florida do they end an election after 30% of the results. LOL

Thanks!

I opened this discussion to get a sense of the "State of The Packers".

I will do this again in a few weeks.

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wtf is it with people like chamuko that only post when we lose, lol wonder what happens when we get back to winning most of our games, will they disappear totally from the forum?

It's another reason to root for the Packers!!

I agree that it didnt work out too good. But just because Sherman couldn't get it right doesnt necessarily mean someone else wouldn't. The point is with Favre still around, I dont think the approach should've been abandoned.

I completely agree with your post, and your fast becoming my favorite poster!

I always felt Sherman should have gotten some veteran receivers instead of Favre having to develop Ferguson and Walker around the same time.

FA is a time to pick up players who can contribute now, and Sherman, and now it seems TT, just don't understand this.

Darn Mike! You tell me that now when the applaud/smite feature's been removed. Nevertheless nice to know.

The sheer talent of a Polamalu type or the experience of a John Lynch in the secondary, a couple of real weapons for Favre on offense and a line that still featured Wahle and this team would be a contender.

Couldn't agree more. So I'll give you a :cheerleader: since the applaud feature is no more!

I see your point longtime, but imo, what wasn't working was the play calling.

Simply horrible by Sherman and Rossley.

Also, if Favre just had a few better, seasoned, veteran receivers that year, it would have been a different story!

LT, I could be wrong but the way I see it is that a team's regular season record is a greater indication of the talent they have while a team's post-season record is a greater indication of the calibre of the coaching.

As Mike says, the play calling was an issue as well as Sherman's inability to rein Favre in when he got carried away.

You need both talent and coaching. While Wolf and Holmgren were providing that respectively, we won a superbowl.

Freeman was fat, slow, and useless. Franks wasn't much better. Walker hadn't busted out from his rookie numbers yet. And Driver wasn't a factor at all, neither was Ferguson. Is he still on the team, by the way? Plus, the Defense was horrible back then!

2003 receiving

Javon Walker 41 716 17.5 66 9
Donald Driver 52 621 11.9 41 2
Robert Ferguson 38 520 13.7 47 4
Ahman Green 50 367 7.3 27 5
Bubba Franks 30 241 8.0 24 4
Wesley Walls 20 222 11.1 36 1
William Henderson 24 214 8.9 22 3
Tony Fisher 21 206 9.8 32 2
Antonio Freeman 14 141 10.1 15 0
David Martin 13 79 6.1 14 2
Najeh Davenport 6 38 6.3 12 0
Nicolas Luchey 1 12 12.0 12 0


Finally some good numbers for the Packers #1 and #2 WR's..but where's the #3 receiver? Non-existent. This year can definitely be pinned on bad and predictable play calling, and on the Packer's coaches being out-coached almost every game!

2004 receiving

Javon Walker 89 1382 15.5 79 12
Donald Driver 84 1208 14.4 50 9
Robert Ferguson 24 367 15.3 48 1
Bubba Franks 34 361 10.6 29 7
Tony Fisher 38 277 7.3 25 2
Ahman Green 40 275 6.9 48 1
Antonio Chatman 22 246 11.2 21 1
William Henderson 34 239 7.0 38 3
David Martin 5 88 17.6 35 0
Ben Steele 4 42 10.5 27 0
Najeh Davenport 4 33 8.3 12 0
Nicolas Luchey 2 20 10.0 11 0
Andrae Thurman 2 12 6.0 9 0

Tony Dungy is a great case in point. Jon Gruden takes over from him in TB and with pretty much the same talent wins the superbowl. Dungy then has even more talent at his disposal in Indianapolis. And while they reel off fantastic season after season they cant get it done in the playoffs. What if the same thing happens this year? Are they going to say, this isnt working let's overall the roster and re-build or are they going to fire Dungy and get someone who can coach in the playoffs?

Sure but what we were discussing originally was TT's approach to talent - rebuild, build around Favre or re-build with Favre around.

No way Gaff, maybe it is that I disliked a lot of the things that TT has done with the team, specially when it comes to coaching staff and FA, BUT if you ask me about the reason why I got lost for 3 weeks it is because I got a new kid delivered and kind of got lost for about a month, but I also post when we win.

Anyway I got the message from a lot of you and from reality also, weather I like it or not we will have the same coaching staff for at least one more year, so there is no point in being so bitter..

That is kind of how it has shaken out.

I think TT wanted to re-build without Favre. But when he knew Favre was coming back, he should have tried to build around him a bit with some veteran talent at the skilled position--WR.

And the O-Line.

The defense was supposed to be his specialty, so I won't comment there.

It is a good read. It also underlines the key point that the way the NFL is structured there are absolutely no prizes for coming second. In fact it actually hurts the team. Its a double whammy because your existing players expect to be paid more for their performances therein pushing you beyond the salary cap and forcing you to cut some of them while you're drafting at the bottom of every round and replacing your roster with talent that isnt yet as good as what you've lost.

The Colts today are facing the same situation that we were in in 2004.

Its no surprise then that some Owners/GMs choose to start over rather than continue in this vein. And as I said in my original post we as fans shouldnt have an issue with TT wanting to rebuild for a more successful and longer future. But then he should have called it for what it is and traded Favre.

Or he should have managed the cap (as he's done) in order to free up space to get players who can make an immediate difference and take one last shot with Favre at the helm.

I knew that the Pats and Steelers would fall off their perch this year, even thought they were being held up as the model teams for building through the draft. The Patriots will not go deep in the playoffs this year. The Jets shellac'ed them. They will lose. They are not the team that they once were.

So why not try to build around your HOF QB while you have him?

There is no sure-fire plan that works in the NFL.

That's an interesting theory about a team's regular season record being a product of the talent and the post season record a product of the coaching. I think there is some truth to it, but it's not nearly so simple. A good coach can sometimes coax a good season out of less-than-stellar talent and get them into the playoffs, only to have the weaknesses on their roster exposed by a more talented team.