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<blockquote data-quote="TJV" data-source="post: 447829" data-attributes="member: 4300"><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">IMO the error of this post is to mix bad behaviors with innate qualities. For example lumping those engaging in bad behaviors like junkies, crack-****** and perverts with the severely mentally ill is indeed mixing apples and oranges. The drug addicted initially chose their behavior while no one chooses to be severely mentally ill. (BTW, some probably small percentage of the morbidly obese don’t choose their fate either.) The best example of prejudice against an innate quality is race: No one chooses their race. I place homosexuality in the same category but I understand some don’t. This isn’t the place for a lengthy exposition explaining my opinion so I will sum it up with this: No amount of indoctrination would have made me homosexual; I am innately heterosexual. And I know gay men who appear to have been innately homosexual from a very young age. </span></span> <span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">In this country, this sentiment is often expressed by devout Christians, particularly those who identify themselves as evangelicals, or “born again”. I think its fair to say many of them do not view homosexuality as a choice. As I posted I disagree with that but even if we accept the premise that homosexuality is a choice and a sin, I have a question for those who accept that premise: Why the concentration on the sin of homosexuality rather than the ****** sins of adultery and fornication (all sex outside of marriage) which are clearly choices and sins? What percentage of the population do you suppose engages in homosexuality vs. those who commit adultery and fornication? The words of Jesus from Chapter 5 of Matthew: </span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Although he endorsed the laws of Moses, I don’t find any New Testament verse which quotes Jesus explicitly condemning homosexuality. Since he explicitly condemns adultery, again, why the concentration on the sin of homosexuality? Reread the quoted portion of GreenBlood’s post above and replace “gay” and “homosexuality” with “adulterer” and “adultery”. How many among us, Christian or not, attempt to change the adulterous behavior or the engaging in fornication of our friends and acquaintances?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">To bring this back to Lombardi and Kitten's quote: Lombardi clearly makes the distinction that IMO GreenBlood does not in his post. Black or white, Italian heritage or European, gay or straight – the "who they were" - didn’t make an iota of difference in his eyes. His team was a meritocracy: The "under-talented" (because of the nature of his business), the <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">undisciplined, </span>the poorly motivated and the lazy – the "what they did" - were shown the door. Agreed. It may be impossible but for Christians it’s the goal, the target. Again from chapter 5 of Matthew: </span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Talk about impossible. </span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TJV, post: 447829, member: 4300"] [COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Tahoma]IMO the error of this post is to mix bad behaviors with innate qualities. For example lumping those engaging in bad behaviors like junkies, crack-****** and perverts with the severely mentally ill is indeed mixing apples and oranges. The drug addicted initially chose their behavior while no one chooses to be severely mentally ill. (BTW, some probably small percentage of the morbidly obese don’t choose their fate either.) The best example of prejudice against an innate quality is race: No one chooses their race. I place homosexuality in the same category but I understand some don’t. This isn’t the place for a lengthy exposition explaining my opinion so I will sum it up with this: No amount of indoctrination would have made me homosexual; I am innately heterosexual. And I know gay men who appear to have been innately homosexual from a very young age. [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Tahoma]In this country, this sentiment is often expressed by devout Christians, particularly those who identify themselves as evangelicals, or “born again”. I think its fair to say many of them do not view homosexuality as a choice. As I posted I disagree with that but even if we accept the premise that homosexuality is a choice and a sin, I have a question for those who accept that premise: Why the concentration on the sin of homosexuality rather than the ****** sins of adultery and fornication (all sex outside of marriage) which are clearly choices and sins? What percentage of the population do you suppose engages in homosexuality vs. those who commit adultery and fornication? The words of Jesus from Chapter 5 of Matthew: [/FONT][FONT=Georgia][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma]Although he endorsed the laws of Moses, I don’t find any New Testament verse which quotes Jesus explicitly condemning homosexuality. Since he explicitly condemns adultery, again, why the concentration on the sin of homosexuality? Reread the quoted portion of GreenBlood’s post above and replace “gay” and “homosexuality” with “adulterer” and “adultery”. How many among us, Christian or not, attempt to change the adulterous behavior or the engaging in fornication of our friends and acquaintances?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Tahoma]To bring this back to Lombardi and Kitten's quote: Lombardi clearly makes the distinction that IMO GreenBlood does not in his post. Black or white, Italian heritage or European, gay or straight – the "who they were" - didn’t make an iota of difference in his eyes. His team was a meritocracy: The "under-talented" (because of the nature of his business), the [FONT=Tahoma]undisciplined, [/FONT]the poorly motivated and the lazy – the "what they did" - were shown the door. Agreed. It may be impossible but for Christians it’s the goal, the target. Again from chapter 5 of Matthew: [/FONT][FONT=Georgia][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma]Talk about impossible. [/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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