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<blockquote data-quote="PackersRS" data-source="post: 390384" data-attributes="member: 1429"><p>Yes one of the most talented QBs of all time.</p><p></p><p>He has the Steve Young ability with the Joe Montana personality. I know the story is out there but Rodgers had bad mechanics and a not very stong arm, he had to work extremely hard to get where he is, and now he has one of the quickest releases in football, the best pinpoint accuracy maybe ever, and can make every single throw.</p><p></p><p>Rodgers has some areas of concern. His touch on balls that need it is lacking, particularly in short yardage. He misses a lot of screens.</p><p></p><p>Rodgers' best ball BY FAR is the seam route, he can fit it anywhere he wants, it's amazing actually.</p><p></p><p>He improved his pocket presence tremenduously, he used to be very reluctant to move to his checkdown receivers, and because his #1 focus has always been to not make bad decisions, he used to tuck the ball and take a sack.</p><p></p><p>Now, because of his accuracy, he trusts more the throws and the protection.</p><p></p><p>There are still areas to work with, particularly the pre-snap reads, but this last 10 games he has been impecable in that department. But he's still not in the area of Tom Brady and Manning. He'll be, though, with more experience, just with his work ethic and intelligence that are off the roof. Plus he's a grudge holder, he gets motivated by the silliest things, and remembers every single negative comment about him. He's constantly motivated, that's why he's so consistant, having never had a turnover differential of less than 1 (Rodgers never threw 2 more ints than TDs, having only thrown for 3 ints 3 times, the last one week 8 of the 2009 season against Tampa). His decision making is one of the best in the league, almost on par with Tom Brady's. He has actually a better career INT% (1.9 to Rodgers, 2.2 to Brady, both spetacular. Manning is 2.7, to illustrate)</p><p></p><p>In short, Rodgers makes great decisions, is very mobile, extremely accurate, can make every throw, is good at sensing the pressure, is great at pre-snap and post-snap reads. His short accuracy and touch are not as good, he can still hold onto the ball too long sometimes (but nothing near his 2 first years as a starter).</p><p></p><p>Comparison, he's, like I said, the most pinpoint accurate QB ever. More than Marino, Montana, Young, Favre... He can fit the ball simply anywhere he wants.</p><p></p><p>Montana is the second best decision maker there ever was, just surpassed by Starr. He could very well be the #1, but Starr had to call every play on offense, not only play QB. The result are 5 championships with him earning SB MVP honors both times he played in a SB, and the second best (only surpassed by Rodgers) postseason QB rating of all time, and having orchestrated one of the best scoring offenses of all time in 62, 29,65 points per game (In the 1960's). Montana also threw IMHO the second best slant outside of Favre. His short accuracy was as good as Brady's.</p><p></p><p>Marino, the big point about Marino was his field vision. Best of all time no question, coupled with the quickest release of all time. Once Bill Walsh, in a conversation with Marino, asked him how he went through his progressions, what he did vs zone and man etc... Marino said he didn't do any of that, he just threw to the open man. That tells you how great of field vision this guy had, to be able to not study as much as others and just play ball. That's also IMHO the reason he never won a SB and played poorly in the postseason, but that's another topic...</p><p></p><p>Manning is the cerebral guy, much of what is done nowadays in terms of how to throw against certain coverages he pratically came up with on his own. The guy is the master of the pre-snap read, and, unlike his brother, is also very skilled at post-snap reads. Manning tends to be afraid of the rush, though. If you get in his face he can make poor decisions, he doesn't have the physical skills that Rodgers has to be able to throw accurately on backfoot.</p><p></p><p>Brady is very similar to Manning, but he's more of a short passes guy as opposed to Manning who likes to work the medium routes. Brady is all about the LOS, and winning in there. That doesn't mean he's not accurate deep thrower, we're talking about first ballot Hall of Famers in here. Just listing the areas where these guys are the best of all time. He's also one of the best decision makers of all time.</p><p></p><p>To me the best QB of all time is Starr, because of all his championships, and the way he played in crunch time (again, second best postseason QB rating of all time at 104.8 only behind Rodgers' 112.6, but in a MUCH harder era to throw the ball), having to not only play but also scheme.</p><p></p><p>I do think Rodgers has the ability to be the best of all time, he currently sits at #1 for career QB rating with 100.5, #1 for postseason QB rating with 112.6, #1 for most games with 100 QB rating with 29 (in 63 games, might I add), #1 in INT% with 1.9, #1 in 3rd down QB rating with 111.5, and I don't exactly remember the number but he has something like 65 TDs to 2 INTS in the redzone.</p><p></p><p>Great topic, man, and welcome to the forum!</p><p></p><p>(ps.: sorry for the long post. Kept writing...)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PackersRS, post: 390384, member: 1429"] Yes one of the most talented QBs of all time. He has the Steve Young ability with the Joe Montana personality. I know the story is out there but Rodgers had bad mechanics and a not very stong arm, he had to work extremely hard to get where he is, and now he has one of the quickest releases in football, the best pinpoint accuracy maybe ever, and can make every single throw. Rodgers has some areas of concern. His touch on balls that need it is lacking, particularly in short yardage. He misses a lot of screens. Rodgers' best ball BY FAR is the seam route, he can fit it anywhere he wants, it's amazing actually. He improved his pocket presence tremenduously, he used to be very reluctant to move to his checkdown receivers, and because his #1 focus has always been to not make bad decisions, he used to tuck the ball and take a sack. Now, because of his accuracy, he trusts more the throws and the protection. There are still areas to work with, particularly the pre-snap reads, but this last 10 games he has been impecable in that department. But he's still not in the area of Tom Brady and Manning. He'll be, though, with more experience, just with his work ethic and intelligence that are off the roof. Plus he's a grudge holder, he gets motivated by the silliest things, and remembers every single negative comment about him. He's constantly motivated, that's why he's so consistant, having never had a turnover differential of less than 1 (Rodgers never threw 2 more ints than TDs, having only thrown for 3 ints 3 times, the last one week 8 of the 2009 season against Tampa). His decision making is one of the best in the league, almost on par with Tom Brady's. He has actually a better career INT% (1.9 to Rodgers, 2.2 to Brady, both spetacular. Manning is 2.7, to illustrate) In short, Rodgers makes great decisions, is very mobile, extremely accurate, can make every throw, is good at sensing the pressure, is great at pre-snap and post-snap reads. His short accuracy and touch are not as good, he can still hold onto the ball too long sometimes (but nothing near his 2 first years as a starter). Comparison, he's, like I said, the most pinpoint accurate QB ever. More than Marino, Montana, Young, Favre... He can fit the ball simply anywhere he wants. Montana is the second best decision maker there ever was, just surpassed by Starr. He could very well be the #1, but Starr had to call every play on offense, not only play QB. The result are 5 championships with him earning SB MVP honors both times he played in a SB, and the second best (only surpassed by Rodgers) postseason QB rating of all time, and having orchestrated one of the best scoring offenses of all time in 62, 29,65 points per game (In the 1960's). Montana also threw IMHO the second best slant outside of Favre. His short accuracy was as good as Brady's. Marino, the big point about Marino was his field vision. Best of all time no question, coupled with the quickest release of all time. Once Bill Walsh, in a conversation with Marino, asked him how he went through his progressions, what he did vs zone and man etc... Marino said he didn't do any of that, he just threw to the open man. That tells you how great of field vision this guy had, to be able to not study as much as others and just play ball. That's also IMHO the reason he never won a SB and played poorly in the postseason, but that's another topic... Manning is the cerebral guy, much of what is done nowadays in terms of how to throw against certain coverages he pratically came up with on his own. The guy is the master of the pre-snap read, and, unlike his brother, is also very skilled at post-snap reads. Manning tends to be afraid of the rush, though. If you get in his face he can make poor decisions, he doesn't have the physical skills that Rodgers has to be able to throw accurately on backfoot. Brady is very similar to Manning, but he's more of a short passes guy as opposed to Manning who likes to work the medium routes. Brady is all about the LOS, and winning in there. That doesn't mean he's not accurate deep thrower, we're talking about first ballot Hall of Famers in here. Just listing the areas where these guys are the best of all time. He's also one of the best decision makers of all time. To me the best QB of all time is Starr, because of all his championships, and the way he played in crunch time (again, second best postseason QB rating of all time at 104.8 only behind Rodgers' 112.6, but in a MUCH harder era to throw the ball), having to not only play but also scheme. I do think Rodgers has the ability to be the best of all time, he currently sits at #1 for career QB rating with 100.5, #1 for postseason QB rating with 112.6, #1 for most games with 100 QB rating with 29 (in 63 games, might I add), #1 in INT% with 1.9, #1 in 3rd down QB rating with 111.5, and I don't exactly remember the number but he has something like 65 TDs to 2 INTS in the redzone. Great topic, man, and welcome to the forum! (ps.: sorry for the long post. Kept writing...) [/QUOTE]
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