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<blockquote data-quote="tynimiller" data-source="post: 1036445" data-attributes="member: 6578"><p>I've posed some of the discussion pieced my Packer buddies and I have from time to time and here is one which I bet spawns some thoughts.</p><p></p><p>The top four WRs on our roster are generally assumed to be (in no specific order here): Watson, Doubs, Reed and Wicks....</p><p></p><p>Now given their physical traits, play style, position strengths and such....who is your player comp for who each of these guys are most similar to if they reach their ceiling? Be realistic folks is all I ask....</p><p></p><p><strong>Romeo Doubs</strong>...arguably this one and Reed are the easiest for me as a player jumped to my mind instantly for both. Who is a receiver that quietly amassed tons of yards...was an a productive offensive team that either always had a clear WR threat besides him OR a go to TE that was top tier....yet this WR to the general public always seemed to be a guy that went unnoticed or unthought of by many outside of his team's fanbase and definitely outside their divisional fanbase? Keenan Allen. </p><p></p><p>Like Allen Doubs wins in so many different ways...and while neither is a top tier burner (Doubs is quicker than Allen) - each have the release package and quickness to beat you over the top, win a high point redzone toss or will route you to death in the middle of the field. Physically built their very close in size with Allen listed at 6'2' and 210lbs typically while Doubs is listed at 6'2' around 205lbs. It's that quiet consistency which drew me to Allen in my mind....while there could be argument of other types I think from the aspect of overlooked Allen is the one for me personally.</p><p></p><p><strong>Jayden Reed</strong>...I mean this to me is simple...what other mainly slot receiver entered the league as a second rounder, with a prolific college resume as being an absolute weapon when the ball got in their hands? What other receiver measured less than 5"11" and one of their earliest touches (this guy game 1....Reed Game 2) in GB led to a TD? Randall Cobb is everything that Reed projects to be and perhaps even a little more diverse as a receiver...as Reed can work outside more than Cobb seemed to ever do. IF Reed hits his ceiling I think a world exists that he outproduces Cobb for sure....but even if he only is a Cobb 2.0 level guy, that's a Packer HOFer in all likelihood and that is a dynamite player.</p><p></p><p><strong>Dontayvion Wicks</strong>....this is where the projections get tougher....yes if we are only looking at Wick's release/footwork Davante is truly that ceiling level guy...but from an everything else perspective I don't see it. The receiver I think of in his prime that I think Wicks will be if he reaches his...but hopefully stacks more years if he does matches up to Wicks like this below:</p><p></p><p>Comp vs Wicks</p><p>6'2' vs 6'1'</p><p>219 vs 206 </p><p>32 arms vs 32.375</p><p>39 vert vs 39</p><p>1007 broad vs 1010</p><p>1.6 10yd split vs 1.55</p><p>2.66 20yd split vs 2.63 </p><p>4.6 40yd time vs 4.62</p><p>7 vs 6.91 3-cone</p><p>9.5 hands vs 10 </p><p>4 shuttle vs 4.2</p><p>9.16 RAS vs 9.21</p><p></p><p>Allen Robinson was/is NOT a burner, but Lord in his prime his release was arguably one of the best in the league...make space regardless of who lined up against him and don't forget the QB that was throwing to him usually SUCKED in comparison to Love (or so it seems). In Allen's four best seasons the QB throwing to him was Bortles, Bortles, Trubisky, Trubisky/Foles</p><p></p><p><strong>Christian Watson</strong>....this one was tough for me....his unique physical make up, yet his burner style just is rare....DK came to mind but they're too dissimilar even physically to use. So did megatron but again those two were just flat bigger bodies...and such. Then my buddy said a name which instantly was the pick for best comparable but I argued against as what his ceiling is...will explain after sharing this one. I'm gonna blur out their measurables side by side below this time as that is quicker - and RAS site didn't have the one's arms or hands so found what a couple sources had and added:</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]20500[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>Now this is where it gets a little mean about this comp.....this comp is spot on also in the regard of this player while healthy was phenomenal....but struggled mightedly with getting on the field and eventually it took him from the league. Javon Walker is the best comp we think for Christian Watson....both were/are top tier if not top athletes at their positions when healthy.</p><p></p><p>But who then is the best player comp for IF Watson stays healthy and therefore truly hitting his ceiling.....well once Walker got brought up and we were discussing him the best one IMO came clear as day into my head. This player had the size frame to body check, box out and high point over any DB.....this guy could run away from any DB....this guy had short range quickness that was rivaled by very very few if any DBs.....this guy also had the strength and frame to force extra yards with contact even....</p><p></p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]20501[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p></p><p>So thoughts? Who do you think....personally while Keenan Allen came to mind the fastest....I do believe Doubs comp is the one I think someone is likely to convince me of another...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tynimiller, post: 1036445, member: 6578"] I've posed some of the discussion pieced my Packer buddies and I have from time to time and here is one which I bet spawns some thoughts. The top four WRs on our roster are generally assumed to be (in no specific order here): Watson, Doubs, Reed and Wicks.... Now given their physical traits, play style, position strengths and such....who is your player comp for who each of these guys are most similar to if they reach their ceiling? Be realistic folks is all I ask.... [B]Romeo Doubs[/B]...arguably this one and Reed are the easiest for me as a player jumped to my mind instantly for both. Who is a receiver that quietly amassed tons of yards...was an a productive offensive team that either always had a clear WR threat besides him OR a go to TE that was top tier....yet this WR to the general public always seemed to be a guy that went unnoticed or unthought of by many outside of his team's fanbase and definitely outside their divisional fanbase? Keenan Allen. Like Allen Doubs wins in so many different ways...and while neither is a top tier burner (Doubs is quicker than Allen) - each have the release package and quickness to beat you over the top, win a high point redzone toss or will route you to death in the middle of the field. Physically built their very close in size with Allen listed at 6'2' and 210lbs typically while Doubs is listed at 6'2' around 205lbs. It's that quiet consistency which drew me to Allen in my mind....while there could be argument of other types I think from the aspect of overlooked Allen is the one for me personally. [B]Jayden Reed[/B]...I mean this to me is simple...what other mainly slot receiver entered the league as a second rounder, with a prolific college resume as being an absolute weapon when the ball got in their hands? What other receiver measured less than 5"11" and one of their earliest touches (this guy game 1....Reed Game 2) in GB led to a TD? Randall Cobb is everything that Reed projects to be and perhaps even a little more diverse as a receiver...as Reed can work outside more than Cobb seemed to ever do. IF Reed hits his ceiling I think a world exists that he outproduces Cobb for sure....but even if he only is a Cobb 2.0 level guy, that's a Packer HOFer in all likelihood and that is a dynamite player. [B]Dontayvion Wicks[/B]....this is where the projections get tougher....yes if we are only looking at Wick's release/footwork Davante is truly that ceiling level guy...but from an everything else perspective I don't see it. The receiver I think of in his prime that I think Wicks will be if he reaches his...but hopefully stacks more years if he does matches up to Wicks like this below: Comp vs Wicks 6'2' vs 6'1' 219 vs 206 32 arms vs 32.375 39 vert vs 39 1007 broad vs 1010 1.6 10yd split vs 1.55 2.66 20yd split vs 2.63 4.6 40yd time vs 4.62 7 vs 6.91 3-cone 9.5 hands vs 10 4 shuttle vs 4.2 9.16 RAS vs 9.21 Allen Robinson was/is NOT a burner, but Lord in his prime his release was arguably one of the best in the league...make space regardless of who lined up against him and don't forget the QB that was throwing to him usually SUCKED in comparison to Love (or so it seems). In Allen's four best seasons the QB throwing to him was Bortles, Bortles, Trubisky, Trubisky/Foles [B]Christian Watson[/B]....this one was tough for me....his unique physical make up, yet his burner style just is rare....DK came to mind but they're too dissimilar even physically to use. So did megatron but again those two were just flat bigger bodies...and such. Then my buddy said a name which instantly was the pick for best comparable but I argued against as what his ceiling is...will explain after sharing this one. I'm gonna blur out their measurables side by side below this time as that is quicker - and RAS site didn't have the one's arms or hands so found what a couple sources had and added: [ATTACH type="full"]20500[/ATTACH] Now this is where it gets a little mean about this comp.....this comp is spot on also in the regard of this player while healthy was phenomenal....but struggled mightedly with getting on the field and eventually it took him from the league. Javon Walker is the best comp we think for Christian Watson....both were/are top tier if not top athletes at their positions when healthy. But who then is the best player comp for IF Watson stays healthy and therefore truly hitting his ceiling.....well once Walker got brought up and we were discussing him the best one IMO came clear as day into my head. This player had the size frame to body check, box out and high point over any DB.....this guy could run away from any DB....this guy had short range quickness that was rivaled by very very few if any DBs.....this guy also had the strength and frame to force extra yards with contact even.... [ATTACH type="full"]20501[/ATTACH] So thoughts? Who do you think....personally while Keenan Allen came to mind the fastest....I do believe Doubs comp is the one I think someone is likely to convince me of another... [/QUOTE]
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