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<blockquote data-quote="HardRightEdge" data-source="post: 779383"><p>He said Biegel comes prepared and works hard every day. Judging whether he's "stronger and it shows" and if that's a positive wouldn't be known at this time or is not worth comment. He could be, but if he loses quickness in the process it would be for naught. How's his foot? Same thing...gotta see that at least in contact drills and then how that combines with the mental aspect of the game against foreign opponents. This stuff can't be judged at this time. These OTA/minicamps are just some running around, playbook work, meetings, injury and conditioning assessment, getting to know the the new players.</p><p></p><p>The "Donnerson making plays" seemed to set him off. Nobody is making plays at this point. There are no plays.</p><p></p><p>So, Matthews takes Biegel under his wing this offseason.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/06/13/packers-vince-biegel-clay-matthews-training/698683002/" target="_blank">https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/06/13/packers-vince-biegel-clay-matthews-training/698683002/</a></p><p></p><p>"Biegel said he appreciated that Matthews issued the invitation even though Biegel plays the same position and would love to steal as much playing time away from the veteran as possible."</p><p></p><p>Yeah? Maybe Matthews is not looking forward to a high snap count for lack of a capable rotation. After all that offseason mentoring, he slammed the bench just a couple of weeks ago. Maybe that should have been observed in the above piece. Maybe Moss has a wild hair up his **** because he too thought the bench needed an upgrade. Many posters here seemed to agree that the Packers needed to do something besides Donnerson in the draft or FA.</p><p></p><p>Kizer hits Kumerow on a deep ball playing touch football in shorts and shells. We know Kizer has an NFL arm. We know Kumerow was a college WR, runs about a 4.5, and is more likely than not to catch one football. This doesn't tell you anything you didn't already know.</p><p></p><p>Or take Spriggs for example. It's been reported he's been in Green Bay during the offseason, has been chowing down, he's "bigger and stronger" in getting up to 320 lbs. in prep to play RT.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.packers.com/news/jason-spriggs-settling-in-with-increased-size-strength" target="_blank">https://www.packers.com/news/jason-spriggs-settling-in-with-increased-size-strength</a></p><p></p><p>He's working hard, "he's going to give it everything he can." That's good to know, like knowing that Biegel comes prepared and works hard every day. Then there's the backhanded part of that compliment:</p><p></p><p>“Ultimately, it’s going to come down to his performance and how he handles things. I know this, that he’s in a lot better physical shape and mindset than he’s been the previous two years, in my opinion.”</p><p></p><p>This echos McCarthy calling him out last season. Spriggs, in addressing his offseason work, says he hopes it does not affect his quickness. Even he is not willing to make a claim at this stage whether the weight gain is a net plus. Can't tell until at least contact practice, but preseason games will be the better indication.</p><p></p><p>J'mon Moore "grabs grass". "He has wowed the Packers with his strength, conditioning and athleticism."</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/45065/rookie-jmon-moores-best-attribute-he-grabs-grass-when-he-runs" target="_blank">http://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/45065/rookie-jmon-moores-best-attribute-he-grabs-grass-when-he-runs</a></p><p></p><p>OK. So the pro day 40 is more representative than the Combine's. That's not much of a surprise. You can see in the available tape the guy has long speed, accelerating and separating past 20 yards when running free. 40 time aside, the other Combine measurables indicate a strength/conditioning/athleticism combination at the top of this class. The question is his route running, pretty much limited to outside the numbers in the tape, and consistent hands. Gotta see what he does in games. Maybe Adams has a new best friend. Maybe the smoother route runner, St. Brown, wins out. Games, games, games are required.</p><p></p><p>And we've seen on several occasions a guy has a lauded camp and preseason, gets ensconsed in the starting lineup, and then disappoints. That may come down to either watching and not studying opponent tape, an important distinction one coach made, or he studied it and did not understand it. Physical ability is only the first bar to hurdle. The mental game separates player from player.</p><p></p><p>When you get right down to it, these other coaches and commentators are not really sharing much more of what matters than we don't already know. Maybe Moss believes there should be more stick and less carrot than the other guys, and that may be appropriate to this collection of players. When the receivers coach says he's enthusiatic about everybody in the room, that may be what he thinks, maybe he's a cockeyed optimist who is inclined to think all is good until the ample opportunities for players to demonstrate otherwise are presented, maybe he thinks that's what he's supposed to say. </p><p></p><p>When you get right down to it, it's a question of delivery rather than content. That Moss was a d*ck in the process, impolitic and unnecessary, would be a good observation. He could say, "Look, you guys are jumping the gun. It's way too early to make the kind of assessments you're asking for. Here's what I can tell you." Throw the guys a couple of bones and get out. </p><p></p><p>And maybe he's not all that happy about how these reporters have been covering the defense and the linebackers. If so, it would accrue to his benefit not to show it.</p><p></p><p>Whether something more than this is going on might emerge later. In the meantime, what I hear from Moss to these reporters is, "get a job".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HardRightEdge, post: 779383"] He said Biegel comes prepared and works hard every day. Judging whether he's "stronger and it shows" and if that's a positive wouldn't be known at this time or is not worth comment. He could be, but if he loses quickness in the process it would be for naught. How's his foot? Same thing...gotta see that at least in contact drills and then how that combines with the mental aspect of the game against foreign opponents. This stuff can't be judged at this time. These OTA/minicamps are just some running around, playbook work, meetings, injury and conditioning assessment, getting to know the the new players. The "Donnerson making plays" seemed to set him off. Nobody is making plays at this point. There are no plays. So, Matthews takes Biegel under his wing this offseason. [URL]https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/06/13/packers-vince-biegel-clay-matthews-training/698683002/[/URL] "Biegel said he appreciated that Matthews issued the invitation even though Biegel plays the same position and would love to steal as much playing time away from the veteran as possible." Yeah? Maybe Matthews is not looking forward to a high snap count for lack of a capable rotation. After all that offseason mentoring, he slammed the bench just a couple of weeks ago. Maybe that should have been observed in the above piece. Maybe Moss has a wild hair up his **** because he too thought the bench needed an upgrade. Many posters here seemed to agree that the Packers needed to do something besides Donnerson in the draft or FA. Kizer hits Kumerow on a deep ball playing touch football in shorts and shells. We know Kizer has an NFL arm. We know Kumerow was a college WR, runs about a 4.5, and is more likely than not to catch one football. This doesn't tell you anything you didn't already know. Or take Spriggs for example. It's been reported he's been in Green Bay during the offseason, has been chowing down, he's "bigger and stronger" in getting up to 320 lbs. in prep to play RT. [URL]https://www.packers.com/news/jason-spriggs-settling-in-with-increased-size-strength[/URL] He's working hard, "he's going to give it everything he can." That's good to know, like knowing that Biegel comes prepared and works hard every day. Then there's the backhanded part of that compliment: “Ultimately, it’s going to come down to his performance and how he handles things. I know this, that he’s in a lot better physical shape and mindset than he’s been the previous two years, in my opinion.” This echos McCarthy calling him out last season. Spriggs, in addressing his offseason work, says he hopes it does not affect his quickness. Even he is not willing to make a claim at this stage whether the weight gain is a net plus. Can't tell until at least contact practice, but preseason games will be the better indication. J'mon Moore "grabs grass". "He has wowed the Packers with his strength, conditioning and athleticism." [URL]http://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/45065/rookie-jmon-moores-best-attribute-he-grabs-grass-when-he-runs[/URL] OK. So the pro day 40 is more representative than the Combine's. That's not much of a surprise. You can see in the available tape the guy has long speed, accelerating and separating past 20 yards when running free. 40 time aside, the other Combine measurables indicate a strength/conditioning/athleticism combination at the top of this class. The question is his route running, pretty much limited to outside the numbers in the tape, and consistent hands. Gotta see what he does in games. Maybe Adams has a new best friend. Maybe the smoother route runner, St. Brown, wins out. Games, games, games are required. And we've seen on several occasions a guy has a lauded camp and preseason, gets ensconsed in the starting lineup, and then disappoints. That may come down to either watching and not studying opponent tape, an important distinction one coach made, or he studied it and did not understand it. Physical ability is only the first bar to hurdle. The mental game separates player from player. When you get right down to it, these other coaches and commentators are not really sharing much more of what matters than we don't already know. Maybe Moss believes there should be more stick and less carrot than the other guys, and that may be appropriate to this collection of players. When the receivers coach says he's enthusiatic about everybody in the room, that may be what he thinks, maybe he's a cockeyed optimist who is inclined to think all is good until the ample opportunities for players to demonstrate otherwise are presented, maybe he thinks that's what he's supposed to say. When you get right down to it, it's a question of delivery rather than content. That Moss was a d*ck in the process, impolitic and unnecessary, would be a good observation. He could say, "Look, you guys are jumping the gun. It's way too early to make the kind of assessments you're asking for. Here's what I can tell you." Throw the guys a couple of bones and get out. And maybe he's not all that happy about how these reporters have been covering the defense and the linebackers. If so, it would accrue to his benefit not to show it. Whether something more than this is going on might emerge later. In the meantime, what I hear from Moss to these reporters is, "get a job". [/QUOTE]
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