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<blockquote data-quote="Dantés" data-source="post: 883543" data-attributes="member: 12283"><p>I find most of this to be eminently reasonable. I'm not an "anti-masker." While not passionately in favor of them, I will wear them where I'm required to by law or asked to by a business/organization (or even just if it makes another person more comfortable).</p><p></p><p>But where I disagree is that there's a clear correlation specifically between the masking and the reduction in incidence. The evidence there is mixed at best. Some results indicate that it helps, some that it has no effect, and some that it's actually a net negative. </p><p></p><p>The evidence is difficult to read because masking has typically followed bad outbreaks. So where there are lots of cases, lots of masking comes behind, but along with it will come lots of other measure, like distancing or lock downs, and so determining the effectiveness specifically of the mask in slowing the spread is really hard. </p><p></p><p>And that's really my point-- I get why people would support mask wearing despite the mixed evidence because the downside is minimal, or at least perceived as such. But I don't get why people would treat mask wearing as this proven intervention, which it simply isn't. You can't look around the world and say that communities/countries that mask are all doing better than those that don't. It's not anything like that clean cut. </p><p></p><p><strong>To bring this back to the main point and the topic at hand</strong>-- if an NFL player gets covid, there are going to be certain fans and media types that will point to one instance of that player not wearing a mask or not wearing it properly and they'll say something to the effect of "see... they were asking for it." Or they'll say "Oh, they've got to tighten up the enforcement of that mask policy!" And the reality is that there just isn't a solid basis for doing that. It's people trying to feel like they have a measure of control that they really don't have.</p><p></p><p>The last thing I'll say is this-- not every attempt to downplay the severity of the virus has to be walked back. Not by a long shot. For instance, I interacted with someone the other day who had no idea that Case Fatality Rate and Infection Fatality Rate are not the same thing. They thought that 2.8% of Americans who get COVID-19 will die, because that's the CFR. The CDC estimates that somewhere between 6 and 24 times as many people have COVID than are confirmed, which would put the actual IFR anywhere from 0.47% to 0.11%.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dantés, post: 883543, member: 12283"] I find most of this to be eminently reasonable. I'm not an "anti-masker." While not passionately in favor of them, I will wear them where I'm required to by law or asked to by a business/organization (or even just if it makes another person more comfortable). But where I disagree is that there's a clear correlation specifically between the masking and the reduction in incidence. The evidence there is mixed at best. Some results indicate that it helps, some that it has no effect, and some that it's actually a net negative. The evidence is difficult to read because masking has typically followed bad outbreaks. So where there are lots of cases, lots of masking comes behind, but along with it will come lots of other measure, like distancing or lock downs, and so determining the effectiveness specifically of the mask in slowing the spread is really hard. And that's really my point-- I get why people would support mask wearing despite the mixed evidence because the downside is minimal, or at least perceived as such. But I don't get why people would treat mask wearing as this proven intervention, which it simply isn't. You can't look around the world and say that communities/countries that mask are all doing better than those that don't. It's not anything like that clean cut. [B]To bring this back to the main point and the topic at hand[/B]-- if an NFL player gets covid, there are going to be certain fans and media types that will point to one instance of that player not wearing a mask or not wearing it properly and they'll say something to the effect of "see... they were asking for it." Or they'll say "Oh, they've got to tighten up the enforcement of that mask policy!" And the reality is that there just isn't a solid basis for doing that. It's people trying to feel like they have a measure of control that they really don't have. The last thing I'll say is this-- not every attempt to downplay the severity of the virus has to be walked back. Not by a long shot. For instance, I interacted with someone the other day who had no idea that Case Fatality Rate and Infection Fatality Rate are not the same thing. They thought that 2.8% of Americans who get COVID-19 will die, because that's the CFR. The CDC estimates that somewhere between 6 and 24 times as many people have COVID than are confirmed, which would put the actual IFR anywhere from 0.47% to 0.11%. [/QUOTE]
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