Why I Love The 2026-2027 Green Bay Packers

[OldSchool101]

PD's would not be one of my most important metrics for judging DBs.

Well you are entitled to your opinion, but that opinion doesn’t coincide with the NFL. PD were one if his top scoring metrics used. I can’t imagine a non biased group claiming that defending passes isn’t counted as a strong metric for gauging success at Boundary CB. Maby Top CB’s in 2025 were in the Top 20 list of Passes Defensed.

Mike Jackson
Riley Moss
Tyson Campbell
Emmanuel Forbes Jr
DJ Turner
Keisean Nixon (PB Alternate)
Quinyon Mitchell (1st Team)
Kool Aid McKinstry
Kamari Lassiter (PB Alternate)
Cooper DeJean (1st Team)

That’s your top 10 in the NFL last year at PD. 4 of those 10 were awarded 1st Team All Pro, Probowl or Probowl Alternates. Defending Passes isn’t the only metric, but it’s an integral part of playing CB successfully.

 

[Schultz]

PD's would not be one of my most important metrics for judging DBs.

I can't imagine anyone watching the games last year come away with Keisean being better than Bull.

Also, it's far more likely Bull is better this year

The reason I agree with this is IMO the better you are, the less they throw your way. The less they throw at you, the fewer chances you have for PDs. IMO Deion Sanders never ranked very high in PDs.

 

[CarryTheG14]

Well you are entitled to your opinion, but that opinion doesn’t coincide with the NFL. PD were one if his top scoring metrics used. I can’t imagine a non biased group claiming that defending passes isn’t counted as a strong metric for gauging success at Boundary CB. Maby Top CB’s in 2025 were in the Top 20 list of Passes Defensed.

Mike Jackson
Riley Moss
Tyson Campbell
Emmanuel Forbes Jr
DJ Turner
Keisean Nixon (PB Alternate)
Quinyon Mitchell (1st Team)
Kool Aid McKinstry
Kamari Lassiter (PB Alternate)
Cooper DeJean (1st Team)

That’s your top 10 in the NFL last year at PD. 4 of those 10 were awarded 1st Team All Pro, Probowl or Probowl Alternates. Defending Passes isn’t the only metric, but it’s an integral part of playing CB successfully.

Pro-Bowls have even less meaning than PDs.

The reason I agree with this is IMO the better you are, the less they throw your way. The less they throw at you, the fewer chances you have for PDs. IMO Deion Sanders never ranked very high in PDs.

Im with that 100% as well.

 

[tynimiller]

Pro-Bowls have even less meaning than PDs.

1,000,000% - that is almost all but worthless anymore.

 

[OldSchool101]

Pro-Bowls have even less meaning than PDs.

Im with that 100% as well.

I guess QB’s picked on Champ Bailey If High Passes Defensed = poor level CB’s then why are the bulk of players at the leaderboard household names?

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_defended_career.htm

 

[Magooch]

Well you are entitled to your opinion, but that opinion doesn’t coincide with the NFL. PD were one if his top scoring metrics used. I can’t imagine a non biased group claiming that defending passes isn’t counted as a strong metric for gauging success at Boundary CB. Maby Top CB’s in 2025 were in the Top 20 list of Passes Defensed.

Mike Jackson
Riley Moss
Tyson Campbell
Emmanuel Forbes Jr
DJ Turner
Keisean Nixon (PB Alternate)
Quinyon Mitchell (1st Team)
Kool Aid McKinstry
Kamari Lassiter (PB Alternate)
Cooper DeJean (1st Team)

That’s your top 10 in the NFL last year at PD. 4 of those 10 were awarded 1st Team All Pro, Probowl or Probowl Alternates. Defending Passes isn’t the only metric, but it’s an integral part of playing CB successfully.

Just because i was curious here is how that list corresponds with PFF grading:

Mike Jackson - 4th
Riley Moss - 42nd
Tyson Campbell - 29th
Emmanuel Forbes - 93rd
DJ Turner - 19th
Keisean Nixon - 41st
Quinyon Mitchell - 16th
Kool-Aid McKinstry - 25th
Kamari Lassiter - 11th
Cooper DeJean - 7th

Mixed bag I guess. I would not put a ton of stock into being a Pro Bowl player at this point, much less a Pro Bowl *alternate*. Lest we forget Shedeur Sanders ended up being the AFC's starting QB in this year's Pro Bowl and for the season he had the 5th-worst passer rating of ALL-TIME - and the worst of any Browns QB with 6+ starts (not sure which says more there, 5th-worst all-time or worst Browns QB...)

Regarding Bullard and Nixon, TBH I think Nixon tends to get a bit over-hated by Packers fans but at the same time I would have a very, very hard time watching their tape from this past season and come away with the conclusion that Nixon is the better player and/or the player with a higher ceiling

 

[DoURant]

Pro-Bowls have even less meaning than PDs.

When Shedeur Sanders makes the Pro Bowl... you know it is worthless.

One other point related to Pro Bowl appearances, having to do with player contracts.... They should never, ever be a bonus incentive, wtitten into a contract, ever again... (ex.) Look no further than Shedeur Sanders being in this past Pro Bowl.

 

[CarryTheG14]

Just because i was curious here is how that list corresponds with PFF grading:

Mike Jackson - 4th
Riley Moss - 42nd
Tyson Campbell - 29th
Emmanuel Forbes - 93rd
DJ Turner - 19th
Keisean Nixon - 41st
Quinyon Mitchell - 16th
Kool-Aid McKinstry - 25th
Kamari Lassiter - 11th
Cooper DeJean - 7th

Mixed bag I guess. I would not put a ton of stock into being a Pro Bowl player at this point, much less a Pro Bowl *alternate*. Lest we forget Shedeur Sanders ended up being the AFC's starting QB in this year's Pro Bowl and for the season he had the 5th-worst passer rating of ALL-TIME - and the worst of any Browns QB with 6+ starts (not sure which says more there, 5th-worst all-time or worst Browns QB...)

Regarding Bullard and Nixon, TBH I think Nixon tends to get a bit over-hated by Packers fans but at the same time I would have a very, very hard time watching their tape from this past season and come away with the conclusion that Nixon is the better player and/or the player with a higher ceiling

Mitchell was only ranked 16th? I thought he was a top CB?

I guess QB’s picked on Champ Bailey If High Passes Defensed = poor level CB’s then why are the bulk of players at the leaderboard household names?

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_defended_career.htm

Fair point. I don't think it's as simple as looking at 1 stat to see the whole story. I don't think Keisan is garbage.He's just a very low end starting CB.

 

[Magooch]

I think he’s serviceable for sure. I do think we’d probably be better off with him as a returner first and a DB second.

Overall, i think if you looked at starting players and had to pick a few “weak links” where we could stand to improve the most, he’s probably towards the top of that list. He’s not terrible but not a huge “plus player” either.

 

[OldSchool101]

I think he’s serviceable for sure. I do think we’d probably be better off with him as a returner first and a DB second.

Overall, i think if you looked at starting players and had to pick a few “weak links” where we could stand to improve the most, he’s probably towards the top of that list. He’s not terrible but not a huge “plus player” either.

I think Valentine would be our weakest link. Which is consistent with why so far in Camp he’s not getting as many 1st team reps. St Juste imo is a better overall graded player than Valentine. I don’t totally dislike Carrington, I more think he’s serviceable 3rd Boundary option that’s been pushed into starting duty for lack of better options or $$

I think Cisse will eventually take over as a starter in 2027, but he might not thrive that fast. I’m guessing he’s our plan by 2027. Both Nixon and Valentine are FA next year, if I had to keep one I think Nixon is a better CB and also can play returner. Versatility often wins as long as the $ is reasonable.

 

[OldSchool101]

The reality is that fans like to kinda pile on a player as a scapegoat for some team woes. Every year or two it’s someone different. Kinda a punching bag to relieve some frustration and that fits Nixon. For $5mil or whatever he costs he’s actually decent.
I don’t think Nixon is the reason we were gashed in the Run game. THAT was our weakness down the stretch.

I could care less if they traded Nixon if it’s for a clear upgrade. I have zero allegiance. I’m of the opinion folks should just show some basic level of effort of why we take a position. State specifics instead of complaining about everything. Maybe even give some factual data that supports it or try suggesting a player replacement. It’s easy to attack others ideas or data but it’s weak to continually complain without offering a quality argument.

Maybe I’ll just start disagreeing with everyone’s ideas to make myself feel better. lol

 

[DoURant]

My two cents on Nixon and Valentine

Nixon isn't a bad cover CB, what I have issue with him is the numerous undisciplined penalties he committed last year. 2nd, that tackle on the running play he avoided at the goal line in the Playoffs was a terrible look. I saw an interview with him recently, where he said that since he isn’t playing nickel anymore, he has trimed some weight that he carried to play that position. I hope those two things aren't related, (weight loss and avoiding tackles) and are a sign of things we will see more often.

As for Valentine, I think overall, he's decent in coverage... but he definitely is not a guy "looking" to make a tackle, and he seemed to make a lot of "business" decisions last year.

In conclusion, I'm hopeful St Juste and Cisse ball out this mini camp and pre-season, and win the starting outside CB jobs. I would prefer to have Nixon, Hadden, and Valentine be the reserves.