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<blockquote data-quote="toolkien" data-source="post: 449165" data-attributes="member: 4637"><p>No one is saying Favre didn't do some great things. It's the things he did AGAINST the team that are the problem</p><p> </p><p>Why do we watch sports in the first place? To watch individuals or teams struggle against ersatz adversity for our entertainment. We pour value into it like it's our own struggles. What sense does any sport make at its functional level - what it actually is? To drive a car in circles for 5 hours? To hit a ball back and forth for 4 hours? To try and push an inflated bladder over a rectangle of grass for 3 hours? It's the STRUGGLE and competition that distills out. And those who perform well get recognized. Those who perform very well get paid a lot. And those who are great get specially honored. But it is FOR THE TEAM in its struggle. It's NOT about personal glory and struggling AGAINST the team, trying to construct it your way for your own reasons.</p><p> </p><p>That's the underlying issue with Favre, he spent six full years of his career acting above the team, quitting, throwing pity parties, creating distractions, and finally trying to actively gain revenge. ALL of these things run exactly contrary to the whole purpose of why we watch sports. I don't follow the Packers to watch individuals kick the team around and struggle AGAINST it and run up great personal numbers. I watch for team success against adversity. Will there be some personal problems the blossom now and again? Sure. Some where a parting ensues (e.g. Lofton). Sure. But am I prepared to excuse six full years of disruption from within and revenge from without as if it never happened? Nope. There simply are boundaries and tolerances involved, and they CAN be exceeded. Favre did.</p><p> </p><p>And it doesn't help that so many pound the narrative that we HAVE TO because HE saved the franchise yada yada yada. That's where all the statistics and addictions and credit/blame arguments come in. The reality is Favre could have truly done what Favre nut huggers THINK he did, or even more, and yet he was not above the team nor licensed to be such a jack*** for six years. The early years of struggle, the addiction, the 63 QB rating in playoff washout games in the 2000's, and being pretty much WRONG about all he wanted to de facto GM (Sherman, linemen, Moss, Mariucci, and "door closing" draft picks) don't help in the least. Disagreeing and splitting in a short term time frame, a legacy might not be burned. But six years of arrogance and revenge will certainly immolate one.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="toolkien, post: 449165, member: 4637"] No one is saying Favre didn't do some great things. It's the things he did AGAINST the team that are the problem Why do we watch sports in the first place? To watch individuals or teams struggle against ersatz adversity for our entertainment. We pour value into it like it's our own struggles. What sense does any sport make at its functional level - what it actually is? To drive a car in circles for 5 hours? To hit a ball back and forth for 4 hours? To try and push an inflated bladder over a rectangle of grass for 3 hours? It's the STRUGGLE and competition that distills out. And those who perform well get recognized. Those who perform very well get paid a lot. And those who are great get specially honored. But it is FOR THE TEAM in its struggle. It's NOT about personal glory and struggling AGAINST the team, trying to construct it your way for your own reasons. That's the underlying issue with Favre, he spent six full years of his career acting above the team, quitting, throwing pity parties, creating distractions, and finally trying to actively gain revenge. ALL of these things run exactly contrary to the whole purpose of why we watch sports. I don't follow the Packers to watch individuals kick the team around and struggle AGAINST it and run up great personal numbers. I watch for team success against adversity. Will there be some personal problems the blossom now and again? Sure. Some where a parting ensues (e.g. Lofton). Sure. But am I prepared to excuse six full years of disruption from within and revenge from without as if it never happened? Nope. There simply are boundaries and tolerances involved, and they CAN be exceeded. Favre did. And it doesn't help that so many pound the narrative that we HAVE TO because HE saved the franchise yada yada yada. That's where all the statistics and addictions and credit/blame arguments come in. The reality is Favre could have truly done what Favre nut huggers THINK he did, or even more, and yet he was not above the team nor licensed to be such a jack*** for six years. The early years of struggle, the addiction, the 63 QB rating in playoff washout games in the 2000's, and being pretty much WRONG about all he wanted to de facto GM (Sherman, linemen, Moss, Mariucci, and "door closing" draft picks) don't help in the least. Disagreeing and splitting in a short term time frame, a legacy might not be burned. But six years of arrogance and revenge will certainly immolate one. [/QUOTE]
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