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<blockquote data-quote="paulska" data-source="post: 491446" data-attributes="member: 557"><p>A few thoughts on this thread:</p><p><strong>1. On the risk</strong> of whether or not Revis returns to physical form after the knee injury? Adrian Peterson is an outlier, some day? What about Wes Welker? Speedy return, zero drop off in play. Medicine is evolving, and treatment of these kinds of injuries is no longer the kind of crap shoot it once was. If you think that Revis, with his earning potential, isn't fastidiously following the regimen that AP and Welker followed? You may need medication. <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/smile.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /> I'd argue that the chances of him not returning to physical form are inordinately slim.</p><p> </p><p><strong>2. Revis is a head case?</strong> Revis has publicly chafed by holding out, but he hasn't been a mouth in NYC despite having the single largest media market as a platform to do so. His team is a vitrual who's who of twitter idiots (yes, I'm referring to Santana Moss and Bart Scott), but he's not a culprit in the social media/soundbite sideshow. His play also never suffered in direct correlation to his dissatisfaction with his pay- he was an all-pro two seasons ago while he was unhappy, and he was headed that way again until he hurt his knee this season.</p><p> </p><p><strong>3. Revis as inferior to Charles Woodson at the time of his signing with GB.</strong> Strongly disagree. Revisionist history- up until Woodson landed in Green Bay under Capers and had a DC willing to think outside the box to maximize both his physical and mental gifts, he was largely a straight cover guy. He was not a dynamic, multifaceted player who could switch from physical run supporter to safety to cover LB to zone CB to slot man nickel. That all came after he signed with us here. Woodson had more wear on his tread when we signed him, and concerns about diminished physical tools. LOADS of packer fans were livid that we paid Woodson a huge contract, which included a first year salary of well over 10 million, for what appeared to be his name value alone given the lack of production and/or play in the preceding two seasons.</p><p> </p><p>Revis is one season removed from being the definitive best CB in the game from a coverage perspective, and remember that he's playing in a scheme where that's the sum total of what his team wants from him. They have ZERO intention of moving him around the field. They want him on one side so they can roll help to Cromartie's side to create turnovers.</p><p> </p><p>Revis is one of the best players in the entire NFL. He is to the CB position what ARod is to the QB position, and what CM3 is to the 34 OLB position. He's peerless, and he's worth 14 million a year because of what he lets you do with the rest of your defensive scheme. Remember that CB isn't like RB- the wheels don't come off at 30. Both Woodson and Champ Bailey played elite level CB well into their 30's. Revis is a similar, if not superior, talent. You're looking at a window of 7 years of the best coverage a CB can provide.</p><p> </p><p><strong>4. We can't afford him.</strong> This argument has some wheels, no doubt. I think if you get Revis, you send the Jets Tramon, one of the top 5 salaries on our team. Then you let him play this season to make sure the knee is right and he gels with our scheme. If the early returns are good, you start negotiations post haste. Remember that Charles Woodson was persuaded to make it work in GB because of a savvy contract structure- he earned some HUGE first year coin in recognition of what the team felt he was worth, and that allowed the later years of the deal to be lesser cap hits and provide flexibility to take care of other contracts. With some of the space we've cleared by cutting Woodson, Saturday and not retaining Jennings (there's more to be saved if Finley is let go or traded), I know we've got ARod and CM3 to extend, but there's still some significant cap room to give Revis a first year that cements his status and value with the team.</p><p> </p><p>HOWEVER, if you can't trade Tramon to the Jets for Revis, then you don't bother at all. You can't keep Tramon's big deal and have Revis here- you become the Eagles Dream Team 2.0 over-committed to one position group.</p><p> </p><p><strong>5. The price tag to get him is too high.</strong> This is legitimate. If Tramon and a first rounder and a conditional 3rd doesn't make sense for the Jets, then it's overspending to bring him in. If he's worth three first rounders to the Jets, then they should pay him like he's worth that much, plain and simple.</p><p> </p><p>In any case, this whole discussion is intriguing. It's been a long time since we cleared as much cap space as we have right now- it'll be fascinating to see how it's leveraged this offseason to take the team back to elite contender for the SB by addressing our significant defensive shortcomings...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="paulska, post: 491446, member: 557"] A few thoughts on this thread: [B]1. On the risk[/B] of whether or not Revis returns to physical form after the knee injury? Adrian Peterson is an outlier, some day? What about Wes Welker? Speedy return, zero drop off in play. Medicine is evolving, and treatment of these kinds of injuries is no longer the kind of crap shoot it once was. If you think that Revis, with his earning potential, isn't fastidiously following the regimen that AP and Welker followed? You may need medication. :) I'd argue that the chances of him not returning to physical form are inordinately slim. [B]2. Revis is a head case?[/B] Revis has publicly chafed by holding out, but he hasn't been a mouth in NYC despite having the single largest media market as a platform to do so. His team is a vitrual who's who of twitter idiots (yes, I'm referring to Santana Moss and Bart Scott), but he's not a culprit in the social media/soundbite sideshow. His play also never suffered in direct correlation to his dissatisfaction with his pay- he was an all-pro two seasons ago while he was unhappy, and he was headed that way again until he hurt his knee this season. [B]3. Revis as inferior to Charles Woodson at the time of his signing with GB.[/B] Strongly disagree. Revisionist history- up until Woodson landed in Green Bay under Capers and had a DC willing to think outside the box to maximize both his physical and mental gifts, he was largely a straight cover guy. He was not a dynamic, multifaceted player who could switch from physical run supporter to safety to cover LB to zone CB to slot man nickel. That all came after he signed with us here. Woodson had more wear on his tread when we signed him, and concerns about diminished physical tools. LOADS of packer fans were livid that we paid Woodson a huge contract, which included a first year salary of well over 10 million, for what appeared to be his name value alone given the lack of production and/or play in the preceding two seasons. Revis is one season removed from being the definitive best CB in the game from a coverage perspective, and remember that he's playing in a scheme where that's the sum total of what his team wants from him. They have ZERO intention of moving him around the field. They want him on one side so they can roll help to Cromartie's side to create turnovers. Revis is one of the best players in the entire NFL. He is to the CB position what ARod is to the QB position, and what CM3 is to the 34 OLB position. He's peerless, and he's worth 14 million a year because of what he lets you do with the rest of your defensive scheme. Remember that CB isn't like RB- the wheels don't come off at 30. Both Woodson and Champ Bailey played elite level CB well into their 30's. Revis is a similar, if not superior, talent. You're looking at a window of 7 years of the best coverage a CB can provide. [B]4. We can't afford him.[/B] This argument has some wheels, no doubt. I think if you get Revis, you send the Jets Tramon, one of the top 5 salaries on our team. Then you let him play this season to make sure the knee is right and he gels with our scheme. If the early returns are good, you start negotiations post haste. Remember that Charles Woodson was persuaded to make it work in GB because of a savvy contract structure- he earned some HUGE first year coin in recognition of what the team felt he was worth, and that allowed the later years of the deal to be lesser cap hits and provide flexibility to take care of other contracts. With some of the space we've cleared by cutting Woodson, Saturday and not retaining Jennings (there's more to be saved if Finley is let go or traded), I know we've got ARod and CM3 to extend, but there's still some significant cap room to give Revis a first year that cements his status and value with the team. HOWEVER, if you can't trade Tramon to the Jets for Revis, then you don't bother at all. You can't keep Tramon's big deal and have Revis here- you become the Eagles Dream Team 2.0 over-committed to one position group. [B]5. The price tag to get him is too high.[/B] This is legitimate. If Tramon and a first rounder and a conditional 3rd doesn't make sense for the Jets, then it's overspending to bring him in. If he's worth three first rounders to the Jets, then they should pay him like he's worth that much, plain and simple. In any case, this whole discussion is intriguing. It's been a long time since we cleared as much cap space as we have right now- it'll be fascinating to see how it's leveraged this offseason to take the team back to elite contender for the SB by addressing our significant defensive shortcomings... [/QUOTE]
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