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<blockquote data-quote="TJV" data-source="post: 436823" data-attributes="member: 4300"><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">I disagree with Dan115 and weeds. I remember the Packers/Bears rivalry from the Lombardi/Halas days very well and of course I’m no fan of McMahon or Ditka. But I don’t think you can point to anything the Bears did during the "Gregg era" that compares to what Martin did. It’s one thing nowadays to take an "extra step" to deliver a blow to a QB – that was allowed back then. And unlike today, it was allowed to block a QB after an INT whether he attempted a tackle or not, but look at what Martin did: He grabbed him from behind and body slammed him. That was in no way a “football move”. It was stupid and against the rules in <em>any</em> circumstance. And he did it well after the play was over while McMahon was defenseless. Remember the hit Warren Sapp laid on Clifton? That was a completely unnecessary hit against a player not protecting himself, but it was before the whistle and it was a hit, not a body slam. IMO Sapp’s hit was bad, but Martin’s actions were clearly worse. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">One more thing: It’s bad enough to be a thug and to allow and encourage thuggish behavior as a HC. It’s even worse to be openly stupid about it and that’s what Gregg and the Packers were. During that game Martin was actually wearing a towel with a “hit list” of the numbers of Bears players Martin and presumably other Packers were targeting for injury. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">I do understand what Bogart is saying on this thread: NFL players getting paid to knock other players out of the game - <em>“I</em><em>’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!”</em> <strong>* </strong>But I think there is a distinct difference between beating the hell out an opposing QB within the rules and engaging in tactics outside the rules with the express purpose of injuring opponents. And the reason the bounties are wrong is they encourage the latter behavior.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><strong>* </strong>For the youngsters here, this is a famous line delivered by actor Claude Rains in perhaps Humphrey Bogart’s most famous movie, Casablanca, regarding Rick's Cafe where Rains’ character had just been gambling. </span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TJV, post: 436823, member: 4300"] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Tahoma]I disagree with Dan115 and weeds. I remember the Packers/Bears rivalry from the Lombardi/Halas days very well and of course I’m no fan of McMahon or Ditka. But I don’t think you can point to anything the Bears did during the "Gregg era" that compares to what Martin did. It’s one thing nowadays to take an "extra step" to deliver a blow to a QB – that was allowed back then. And unlike today, it was allowed to block a QB after an INT whether he attempted a tackle or not, but look at what Martin did: He grabbed him from behind and body slammed him. That was in no way a “football move”. It was stupid and against the rules in [I]any[/I] circumstance. And he did it well after the play was over while McMahon was defenseless. Remember the hit Warren Sapp laid on Clifton? That was a completely unnecessary hit against a player not protecting himself, but it was before the whistle and it was a hit, not a body slam. IMO Sapp’s hit was bad, but Martin’s actions were clearly worse. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Tahoma]One more thing: It’s bad enough to be a thug and to allow and encourage thuggish behavior as a HC. It’s even worse to be openly stupid about it and that’s what Gregg and the Packers were. During that game Martin was actually wearing a towel with a “hit list” of the numbers of Bears players Martin and presumably other Packers were targeting for injury. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Tahoma]I do understand what Bogart is saying on this thread: NFL players getting paid to knock other players out of the game - [I]“I[/I][I]’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!”[/I] [B]* [/B]But I think there is a distinct difference between beating the hell out an opposing QB within the rules and engaging in tactics outside the rules with the express purpose of injuring opponents. And the reason the bounties are wrong is they encourage the latter behavior.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Tahoma][B]* [/B]For the youngsters here, this is a famous line delivered by actor Claude Rains in perhaps Humphrey Bogart’s most famous movie, Casablanca, regarding Rick's Cafe where Rains’ character had just been gambling. [/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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