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<blockquote data-quote="TJV" data-source="post: 436667" data-attributes="member: 4300"><p><span style="color: #141414"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">It is an exaggeration to say the Packers defense was the worst in the league because the league keeps track of winners and losers by using points, not yards. </span></span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: #141414"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Apparently you had trouble following the discussion. Jaybadger82 posted that we can’t count on the defense forcing 'quite a few' TOs because that’s an inconsistent stat. I posted the TO stats for Capers’ Packers D which resulted in Jaybadger82 posting “that’s remarkably consistent” which was the point of my post. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #141414"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">How did I put a “pretty face” on those stats? Unlike some stats like missed tackles, interceptions and recovered fumbles are objective stats. In addition to citing stats, in that post I agreed that the defense didn’t pass the eye test. I also quoted McGinn’s stats and wrote, “</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">While that's <u>really bad</u>, it's not the worst in the league…” Apparently you interpreted my agreeing the D didn’t pass the eye test and posting it was “really bad” to mean I was saying the Packers had an “ok defense”. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #141414"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">BTW, here’s another objective fact: In addition to leading the league in INTs, the Packers’ 2011 D led the league in fewest penalties. In spite of those facts, the Packers defense was bad. But aspects of it, like forcing TOs and not committing penalties were very good. Even though these facts don’t fit neatly into the view of some that the Packers’ defense was the worst in the league, they remain facts. </span></span></p><p> </p><p>- - -</p><p><span style="color: #141414"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Jaybadger82, the stats I quoted from McGinn appeared in his season-ending grades column. I assume the 26th ranking on third downs was the percentage of times they allowed a first down and the 20th red zone defense was the number of points surrendered per opponent’s entry into the red zone. McGinn also cites stats like pressures that I assume he gets from the team, but I’m not certain of that. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #141414"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">The Packers were historically bad in giving up passing yards. Even so IMO the stats quoted and the fact the Packers were 19th in points surrendered mean the Packers were a bottom third defense, not the worst defense in the league. Because passing yards and total yards surrendered aren’t the only stats and in fact aren’t the most important stats. Like I said in my above post, that’s of little comfort to Packers fans – it has to get better next season. </span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TJV, post: 436667, member: 4300"] [COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Tahoma]It is an exaggeration to say the Packers defense was the worst in the league because the league keeps track of winners and losers by using points, not yards. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Tahoma]Apparently you had trouble following the discussion. Jaybadger82 posted that we can’t count on the defense forcing 'quite a few' TOs because that’s an inconsistent stat. I posted the TO stats for Capers’ Packers D which resulted in Jaybadger82 posting “that’s remarkably consistent” which was the point of my post. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#141414][FONT=Tahoma]How did I put a “pretty face” on those stats? Unlike some stats like missed tackles, interceptions and recovered fumbles are objective stats. In addition to citing stats, in that post I agreed that the defense didn’t pass the eye test. I also quoted McGinn’s stats and wrote, “[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]While that's [U]really bad[/U], it's not the worst in the league…” Apparently you interpreted my agreeing the D didn’t pass the eye test and posting it was “really bad” to mean I was saying the Packers had an “ok defense”. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#141414][FONT=Tahoma]BTW, here’s another objective fact: In addition to leading the league in INTs, the Packers’ 2011 D led the league in fewest penalties. In spite of those facts, the Packers defense was bad. But aspects of it, like forcing TOs and not committing penalties were very good. Even though these facts don’t fit neatly into the view of some that the Packers’ defense was the worst in the league, they remain facts. [/FONT][/COLOR] - - - [COLOR=#141414][FONT=Tahoma]Jaybadger82, the stats I quoted from McGinn appeared in his season-ending grades column. I assume the 26th ranking on third downs was the percentage of times they allowed a first down and the 20th red zone defense was the number of points surrendered per opponent’s entry into the red zone. McGinn also cites stats like pressures that I assume he gets from the team, but I’m not certain of that. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#141414][FONT=Tahoma]The Packers were historically bad in giving up passing yards. Even so IMO the stats quoted and the fact the Packers were 19th in points surrendered mean the Packers were a bottom third defense, not the worst defense in the league. Because passing yards and total yards surrendered aren’t the only stats and in fact aren’t the most important stats. Like I said in my above post, that’s of little comfort to Packers fans – it has to get better next season. [/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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