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Message: <blockquote data-quote="llondo" data-source="post: 320666" data-attributes="member: 3431">If the Bears lose, and the Packers lose, if Green Bay won out and Chicago lost out (Jets and Packers, very likely), the Packers would win the division. If the Packers and Bears finish tied for the division, Chicago would get the nod due to divisional record. So Chicago needs to lose, with Rodgers out Sunday and the game being at New England, a Packer loss is a sad likelihood, if we want to take the division. However, if Green Bay wins against New York and the Bears, we'd finish 10-6 with an 8-4 conference record.However, @GreenBlood's point is that the New England game doesn't have ramifications for the wild-card spot, nor likely ramifications if the Bears lose on Sunday. New Orleans may beat Baltimore next week, then lose to Atlanta, and go into Week 17 needing to win against Tampa Bay to secure the 5 seed, because if Tampa Bay wins at Detroit and Seattle, the winner of TB/NO in the last game would take the 5 seed, because if TB won, they'd take it on conference record. If New Orleans loses at Baltimore, and then at Atlanta, winner of the last game would take the fifth seed on record (11-5 to 10-6). Regardless, the last game between Tampa Bay and New Orleans will be contested, and will most likely end with a New Orleans Victory. That way, the Bucs will finish 10-6 with an 8-4 conference record.If the Giants lose to the Eagles and to the Packers and win their last game, they'd finish at 10-6 also with an 8-4 conference record. If the Giants, Packers, and Buccaneers all end up tied at 10-6, since the Bucs didn't play either team, they all have an 8-4 conference record, and don't have 4 games in common, it would fall onto Strength of Victory. This would be particularly advantageous for the Packers, with wins against the Jets, Giants, and Bears. It would most likely give them the edge in clinching the 6 seed. Ideally for Packer fans, if the Packers lose on Sunday, the Eagles MUST have beaten the Giants, and the Vikings have beaten the Bears. If the Giants win, they'd likely only receive one more loss at the hands of the Packers, and they and the Eagles would finish at 11-5, with one of them clinching the division and the other, most likely, the last playoff seed. The Eagles face the Cowboys and Vikings in the last two weeks, and it'd be hard to count on a loss to knock them to 10-6. The Saints need to lose to Atlanta in Week 16 to make the last game against Tampa Bay have meaning, which will likely result in a Tampa Bay loss. Or, if the Saints lose to Baltimore, Atlanta, and Tampa Bay, leaving themselves out and Green Bay probably tied at 10-6 with the Giants, the Packers would get the edge.So, if the Packers lose on Sunday, it's still likely they get into the playoffs. And hey, the Giants, Eagles, Bucs, Saints, and Bears could all lose out and give Green Bay the two seed, even with a Packer loss on Sunday. There's a million ways the Packers could still get into the playoffs, even with a loss. And even if they lose and the Bears win, there's still quite a few ways they could clinch a wild-card spot. Hope is far from lost, if Green Bay wins against the Giants, they'll probably go into Week 17 with a win-and-you're-in scenario.</blockquote>

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