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But.....at what cost?

Tigers will be selling to the highest bidder, which means best future prospects. The Brewers have one of the highest rated farm systems in Baseball. You start gutting that and you will see the future effects it has on the main team.

I've seen trade packages thrown around that look like this:

Skubal for:

RHP Logan Henderson
OF Josh Adamczewski
LHP Aaron Ashby

No thanks. Henderson is an up-and-coming young pitcher that the Brewers have contract control on into the future.

Ashby.....well.......I am hot and cold on Goggle Boy. He either is really on or really off.

OF Josh Adamczewski. Absolutely NO! This guy is talented and moving up the minors fast.

In such a trade you are losing 2 current pitchers and 1 really good prospect for a 3 month rental, once every 3-5 game arm.
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This is why a team trades for Skubal. He is proven in the Regular season and Playoffs. Prospects may never pan out at the major league level. If he pitches twice in a Playoff series, your odds are pretty good that you will win those games, or at least he gives you a better chance to.

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This is why a team trades for Skubal. He is proven in the Regular season and Playoffs. Prospects may never pan out at the major league level. If he pitches twice in a Playoff series, your odds are pretty good that you will win those games, or at least he gives you a better chance to.

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You working for the Tigers? ;)
 

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You working for the Tigers? ;)
I'm not saying that I would be disappointed if the Brewers swung a deal for Skubal. There is no doubt he's a great pitcher. However, I just don't see it happening. A team like the Dodgers or Yankees, can afford to give up decent players AND afford to sign him to a new deal. For the Brewers, Skubal would be a short term rental and thus, less value.
 

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Agreed. My preference is Skubal. He would make the starting rotation WS-worthy.
Miz has turned into a legitimate stopper this year, and Skubal is already a stopper. Imagine getting in a 7-game series with those two guys starting.

Time for the Brewers to go all in and get Skubal.
 

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Miz has turned into a legitimate stopper this year, and Skubal is already a stopper. Imagine getting in a 7-game series with those two guys starting.

Time for the Brewers to go all in and get Skubal.
Exactly! Are the Brewers in business to have the best minor league system... or to win a World Series? It's not like they will be trading all their Top 10 prospects for the guy.

Like we say with the Packers... we're here to win Championships, it's not to just win the Division, or make the Playoffs.
 
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Exactly! Are the Brewers in business to have the best minor league system... or to win a World Series? It's not like they will be trading all their Top 10 prospects for the guy.

Like we say with the Packers... we're here to win Championships, it's not to just win the Division, or make the Playoffs.
In many ways the Brewers are similar to the Packers characteristics. GB did grab a Championship in 2010, Yet they’ve not made the best of their numerous Postseason visits. Several recent early playoff exits remind me of Green Bay.

This team feels different. We’re about to transition into the 4Q of the season and they’re just 1 game out of first place (LA would likely tiebreak if I recall correctly). Seemingly trodding along but fighting for the league best record at the same time. That’s not a slight btw.
 
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Exactly! Are the Brewers in business to have the best minor league system... or to win a World Series? It's not like they will be trading all their Top 10 prospects for the guy.

Like we say with the Packers... we're here to win Championships, it's not to just win the Division, or make the Playoffs.
I disagree. Sometimes you have to keep your eye on the real prize.

The Brewers have a very successful organization from top to bottom. The organization is known for maximizing a bottom-third payroll through elite scouting and a unified developmental philosophy, the franchise thrives from top to bottom. What this has done is put a winning team on the field in Milwaukee almost every season in the last 10 years. They are well on their way to winning the NL Central again for the 5th time in 6 seasons.

Why is all this winning so important, especially for a small market team? Putting fans in the stands and more importantly, keeping the money from broadcasting deals flowing.

So while a World Series pennant in Milwaukee would be awesome, my guess is that Attanasio, Arnold and Schlesinger are super happy with the way the organization is running from year to year.

So sure, if they can work out a deal that brings Skubal here for 3 months and it is the Brewers only having to trade players that represent depth at a position in their farm system, then maybe a trade is smart. However, as I said, trading key current and future cogs like Logan Henderson and Ashby, just to try and go all in on a potential WS, that would be stupid.

One doesn't have to look too far from Am Fam Field to find what can happen to a small market team that is mismanaged. A team that was having a ton of success from season to season and then decided to go all in to try and win a championship...I'm looking at you Jon Horst and the Milwaukee Bucks.
 

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Like we say with the Packers... we're here to win Championships, it's not to just win the Division, or make the Playoffs.

See my post above, but the NFL and MLB are 2 VERY different leagues. The salary cap and revenue sharing allows teams like the Packers to compete on an equal level as the big market teams in the NFL, every season. That isn't the case in MLB. Small market teams can struggle to maintain a competitive team from season to season. That task gets even more difficult when you have a farm system that is equally as weak.

Throw in the fact that the baseball season consists of 81 home games each season. The NFL 8-9. Putting fans in the seats for baseball is very important. Putting fans in the seats for the Packers? Just take a look at their season ticket waiting list.
 

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Exactly! Are the Brewers in business to have the best minor league system... or to win a World Series? It's not like they will be trading all their Top 10 prospects for the guy.

Like we say with the Packers... we're here to win Championships, it's not to just win the Division, or make the Playoffs.
Agree 100%. The Brewers can make a solid run for the WS with the current team. I say go all in and get Skubal. In pro sports, it rarely happens when a team is one player away from a championship. I'd certainly say this Brewers' team qualifies.

And I would absolutely love beating the best team money can buy - the Dodgers - in the NLCS - and on to the WS. Brewer fans are waaaaaaaay overdue.

And as you point out, they have an incredible minor leauge system and can send some promising players to Detroit.
In many ways the Brewers are similar to the Packers characteristics. They did grab a Championship more recently. Yet they’ve not made the best of their numerous Postseason visits. Several recent early playoff exits remind me of Green Bay.

This team feels different. We’re about to transition into the 4Q of the season and they’re just 1 game out of first place (LA would likely tiebreak if I recall correctly). Seemingly trodding along but fighting for the league best record at the same time. That’s not a slight btw.
This Brewers' team is special. They win with terrific pitching - starting, middle, and closing - and they have "small ball" hitters who score a lot of runs. Skubal would put them over the top.
 

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But.....at what cost?

Tigers will be selling to the highest bidder, which means best future prospects. The Brewers have one of the highest rated farm systems in Baseball. You start gutting that and you will see the future effects it has on the main team.

I've seen trade packages thrown around that look like this:

Skubal for:

RHP Logan Henderson
OF Josh Adamczewski
LHP Aaron Ashby

No thanks. Henderson is an up-and-coming young pitcher that the Brewers have contract control on into the future.

Ashby.....well.......I am hot and cold on Goggle Boy. He either is really on or really off.

OF Josh Adamczewski. Absolutely NO! This guy is talented and moving up the minors fast.

In such a trade you are losing 2 current pitchers and 1 really good prospect for a 3 month rental, once every 3-5 game arm.
Can't argue with your logic here Poker. My counter is that 1) the Brewers have been to one WS and lost, 2) this team is already very talented, and 3) Skubal gives them a solid chance to finally win a WS.

I'd forgo the talent it would take to get, as you note, a three-month rental. I just think that this team is unique, and that doesn't happen often. And it almost never happens in small-market Milwaukee.

The Dodgers are probably gonna win a WS once every 4 or 5 years, maybe more. That's more like 40 or 50 years for the Brewers. Go for it!
 

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The Dodgers are probably gonna win a WS once every 4 or 5 years, maybe more. That's more like 40 or 50 years for the Brewers. Go for it!
That's why I think you have to "shoot your shot". The Brewers are so close, and have a window of opportunity to make it happen... all they need is a little nudge.
 

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Yoho and Blake Perkins traded for Guardians catcher Bo Naylor and reliever Codi Heuer. That makes me think Sanchez is next up to be traded, they don't carry 3 catchers
 

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Can't argue with your logic here Poker. My counter is that 1) the Brewers have been to one WS and lost, 2) this team is already very talented, and 3) Skubal gives them a solid chance to finally win a WS.

I'd forgo the talent it would take to get, as you note, a three-month rental. I just think that this team is unique, and that doesn't happen often. And it almost never happens in small-market Milwaukee.

The Dodgers are probably gonna win a WS once every 4 or 5 years, maybe more. That's more like 40 or 50 years for the Brewers. Go for it!

Like I said. From a fan perspective, we all want to see the Brewers win a World Series. From a business/owner perspective, its all about profit and loss. Sometimes the difference between those mindsets (Fans VS Owner) is huge.
 

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As far as Skubal goes. I think their is also some concern about that left elbow (pitching arm) of his. He had surgery in May to remove some "loose bodies". Yes, he hasn't seemed to have slowed down, but its a long season.
 

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Yoho and Blake Perkins traded for Guardians catcher Bo Naylor and reliever Codi Heuer. That makes me think Sanchez is next up to be traded, they don't carry 3 catchers
Never mind on Sanchez being traded. They have sent both Naylor and Heuer to AAA ball. Maybe to better evaluate them. Kind of a head scratcher to be honest. Yoho was terrible last season, but appeared to have righted the ship this season. Perkins, meh, besides being a really solid defensive outfielder, he was a liability at the plate.
 

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I disagree. Sometimes you have to keep your eye on the real prize.

The Brewers have a very successful organization from top to bottom. The organization is known for maximizing a bottom-third payroll through elite scouting and a unified developmental philosophy, the franchise thrives from top to bottom. What this has done is put a winning team on the field in Milwaukee almost every season in the last 10 years. They are well on their way to winning the NL Central again for the 5th time in 6 seasons.

Why is all this winning so important, especially for a small market team? Putting fans in the stands and more importantly, keeping the money from broadcasting deals flowing.

So while a World Series pennant in Milwaukee would be awesome, my guess is that Attanasio, Arnold and Schlesinger are super happy with the way the organization is running from year to year.

So sure, if they can work out a deal that brings Skubal here for 3 months and it is the Brewers only having to trade players that represent depth at a position in their farm system, then maybe a trade is smart. However, as I said, trading key current and future cogs like Logan Henderson and Ashby, just to try and go all in on a potential WS, that would be stupid.

One doesn't have to look too far from Am Fam Field to find what can happen to a small market team that is mismanaged. A team that was having a ton of success from season to season and then decided to go all in to try and win a championship...I'm looking at you Jon Horst and the Milwaukee Bucks.
Thanks for your comments here Poker.

"Putting fans in the stands and more importantly, keeping the money from broadcasting deals flowing."

That's well said and describes how the owners have managed this team for as long as I remember.

The Brewers regularly get 40,000 plus fans at every home game. To your point, look at other small market teams and you'll see this level of fan support isn't there, not even close. The Brewers' front office, the farm system, the talent, and a consistently competitive team keeps fans engaged, and going to games. This is essential for a small market team to generate the $$$ needed to field a competitive team.

So yeah, I don't think they're gonna get Skubal for depth position players from their minor league clubs. It will almost certainly take the guys you list:

RHP Logan Henderson
OF Josh Adamczewski
LHP Aaron Ashby

And to anyone with common sense, that's a lot to give up for an ace pitcher on a 3 month rental.

But this is about doing what it takes to make a final acquisition to put forward a true WS contender come October, and to finally bring a WS pennant to Am Fam field. Without Skubal, the Brewers are still tied with the always-talented Dodgers for the best record n baseball. Put Skubal in the mix and the Brewers likely end with the best record in MLB. Much more importantly, it puts two stoppers in the pitching rotation, and that's what it takes to win a WS. IMO great pitching beats great hitting (and in foootball, great D usually wins out over great O).

I'm not trying to change your mind because 1) I can't and 2) your points are all valid. This would require the owners to take on some risk. I think it's worth it. And as talented as Henderson, Adamczewski, and to a lesser extent Ashby sre - losing them is not gonna radically deplete the farm system, or hurt the current P lineup.

And the decision will probably be based on the owners' prediction for what will bring in fans in the future. I think a WS win would lock that in for at least a few years.

Sorry for the long response. I respect your position on this, and if I was thinking with my head, I'd agree. But I'm thinking here with my heart. Milwaukee is a great baseball city, always has been. The last WS championship was in the 1950s, so about 65 years ago. Let's end the drought.
 

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As far as Skubal goes. I think their is also some concern about that left elbow (pitching arm) of his. He had surgery in May to remove some "loose bodies". Yes, he hasn't seemed to have slowed down, but its a long season.
I didn't know this, thanks. The owners have to be virtually certain that Skubal will be in fine form through the end of the season.
 

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Well the saga is over, Skubal to the Dodgers... I wish he wasn't headed to LA, but the Tigers got a pretty good haul in return.
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Well the saga is over, Skubal to the Dodgers... I wish he wasn't headed to LA, but the Tigers got a pretty good haul in return.
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Sucks that the Dodgers got better, but in no way would I be happy if the Brewers had given up THAT much farm talent. Skubal's '26 remaining salary is over $9.5mil, which is another reason I'm happy he's not in Milwaukee.
 

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Well the saga is over, Skubal to the Dodgers... I wish he wasn't headed to LA, but the Tigers got a pretty good haul in return.
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Of all the places I didn't want him to go, it was the Dodgers. They simply made a better offer than the Brewers. And they'll have the $$$ to sign him in the offseason. The rich get richer…...

Oh well. I said it before, this is a v good Brewers team. This makes it a little harder to dream about a WS, but not impossible. And we keep the talented guys Poker mentioned. I'm still looking forward to October!
 

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Sucks that the Dodgers got better, but in no way would I be happy if the Brewers had given up THAT much farm talent. Skubal's '26 remaining salary is over $9.5mil, which is another reason I'm happy he's not in Milwaukee.
Feel the same. The Dodgers were willing to give up more talent. They should be able to sign Skubal after the offseason, something that would have been near impossible for Milwaukee. And that provides Skubal some assurance that he'll only have to move once and play the rest of his career with a perennial champion.

Poker made very good points about the talent Milwaukee would have had to give up for Skubal, and it was a lot. The Dodgers gave more. Sometimes the other team makes a better offer. So be it.

This Brewers team is still very capable of competing for a WS, and nothing would make me happier than downing the Dodgers in the NLCS.
 

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Sucks that the Dodgers got better, but in no way would I be happy if the Brewers had given up THAT much farm talent. Skubal's '26 remaining salary is over $9.5mil, which is another reason I'm happy he's not in Milwaukee.
From what I read last night, it sounds like the Tigers were asking for Henderson in a trade package from the Brewers.
 

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From what I read last night, it sounds like the Tigers were asking for Henderson in a trade package from the Brewers.
Interesting, thanks. Yeah trading Henderson is a non-starter. The Dodgers gave away a lot to get Skubal. Too much. Too bad.
 

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