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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mondio" data-source="post: 978003" data-attributes="member: 10441">he hasn't been elite, that is true this year.  But he also hasn't had much in the way of help.  Toure made a big play this week, Doubs last week and outside that, maybe Lazard a time or 2 and Jones in one game.  But I can count the passes where a receiver helped the QB.  I lose track of plays where receivers didn't help or flat out made him look bad.  heck, 2 plays last game by Sammy made Rodgers look bad, that's more than he had from all others combined in the way of helping.  But it's hard to really debate it after this last game being fresh in everyone's mind.  There have been many more big plays that just weren't made either that are hurting his stats.  So yeah, he hasn't been elite, but I don't think there is an elite QB that is going to look it either with the way everyone is playing.  Last game, sure, can't throw 3 picks in the redzone or endzone or whatever it was and not be "the" reason.  But much of this year, more plays have been missed by others than the QB.  I have a hard time saying he's "the" problem.  I don't think trading him has ever been a serious option.  I did then and still now, feel he'd retire rather than be traded.  I could be wrong, but I don't think it was a real possibility.  I think it was a "wake up, I want to talk to you" statement.  and they did and it became moot immediately after.</blockquote>

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