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<blockquote data-quote="Magooch" data-source="post: 1092136" data-attributes="member: 17987"><p>Considering both the height (5'10") and weight (~190lb+) thresholds we have typically targeted... Looking at all of the "above average" punt returners in the league (i.e. qualifying players who average better than league-average yards per return)</p><p>12/16 of such players are either right at or below our preferred threshold height and/or weight:</p><p></p><p>Marcus Jones - CB, NE - <strong>5'8", 188lb</strong></p><p>Marvin Mims - WR, DEN - 5'11", <strong>182lb</strong></p><p>Rashid Shaheed - WR, NO - 6'0", <strong>180lb</strong></p><p>Isaiah Williams - WR, NJY - <strong>5'10", 185lb</strong></p><p>Jaylin Lane - WR, WAS - <strong>5'10"</strong>, 196lb</p><p>Parker Washington - WR, JAX - <strong>5'10"</strong>, 204lb</p><p>Malik Washington - WR, MIA - <strong>5'8"</strong>, 195lb</p><p>LaJohntay Wester - WR, BAL - <strong>5'9", 170lb</strong></p><p>Skyy Moore - WR, KC - <strong>5'10"</strong>, 195lb</p><p>Greg Dortch - WR, AZ - <strong>5'7", 180lb</strong></p><p>Kameron Johnson - WR, TB - <strong>5'10", 170lb</strong></p><p>Ke'Shawn Williams - WR, CIN - <strong>5'9", 188lb</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>As it stands, our smallest rostered WRs by height are either Golden and Reed (both 5'11"). By weight it's Reed (187lb) or Keeney-James (190lb). At CB we have Nixon as our shortest at 5'10" (200lb) and Jaylin Simpson (6'0", 180lb) or Carrington Valentine (6'0", 189lb) and Bo Melton (5'11", 189lb) as our lightest. </p><p></p><p>There are also 29 qualified KRs who logged a better-than-league-average yards per return. Now to be fair many of these are also the same as on PR (I. Williams, R. Shaheed, S. Moore, M. Washington, M. Mims, G. Dortch) but can also add in the following who also fail to exceed either or both our height/weight thresholds (I'm also removing guys who are RBs outside of ST duties as I think that's a whole different thing, haha. There are about 8 of those players who are predominantly RBs):</p><p>Tom Kennedy - WR, DET - <strong>5'10"</strong>, 195lb</p><p>Brandon Codrington - DB, BUF - <strong>5'9", 185lb</strong></p><p>Tyquan Thornton - WR, KC - 6'2", <strong>185lb</strong></p><p>KaVontae Turpin - WR, DAL -<strong> 5'9", 153lb</strong></p><p></p><p>Now don't get me wrong. I don't think all of these are necessarily "rosterable" players (and in fact not all of them currently ARE rostered, as best I know <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" /> ). but I guess in looking at that I would conclude that...the general size threshold for having an above-average returner seems to skirt awfully close to our minimum threshold for WR or even CB usage. So on one hand I don't think we really need to go hunting for guys built like Turpin (I wouldn't necessarily rule it out either) but if the smallest we want to go is guys sized like Golden or Reed (and that seems to be our bottom-end for size) i could see that being a bit limiting for us</p><p></p><p>BUT, with all that in mind, it's just a bit of a thought-exercise for me; I'm still not entirely convinced it's solely (or primarily) our returner (KR/PR) themself/themselves who is the biggest blame-factor for our below-average return game, and I'm not convinced that throwing a smaller and slightly more nimble guy back there would materially change much.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Magooch, post: 1092136, member: 17987"] Considering both the height (5'10") and weight (~190lb+) thresholds we have typically targeted... Looking at all of the "above average" punt returners in the league (i.e. qualifying players who average better than league-average yards per return) 12/16 of such players are either right at or below our preferred threshold height and/or weight: Marcus Jones - CB, NE - [B]5'8", 188lb[/B] Marvin Mims - WR, DEN - 5'11", [B]182lb[/B] Rashid Shaheed - WR, NO - 6'0", [B]180lb[/B] Isaiah Williams - WR, NJY - [B]5'10", 185lb[/B] Jaylin Lane - WR, WAS - [B]5'10"[/B], 196lb Parker Washington - WR, JAX - [B]5'10"[/B], 204lb Malik Washington - WR, MIA - [B]5'8"[/B], 195lb LaJohntay Wester - WR, BAL - [B]5'9", 170lb[/B] Skyy Moore - WR, KC - [B]5'10"[/B], 195lb Greg Dortch - WR, AZ - [B]5'7", 180lb[/B] Kameron Johnson - WR, TB - [B]5'10", 170lb[/B] Ke'Shawn Williams - WR, CIN - [B]5'9", 188lb[/B] As it stands, our smallest rostered WRs by height are either Golden and Reed (both 5'11"). By weight it's Reed (187lb) or Keeney-James (190lb). At CB we have Nixon as our shortest at 5'10" (200lb) and Jaylin Simpson (6'0", 180lb) or Carrington Valentine (6'0", 189lb) and Bo Melton (5'11", 189lb) as our lightest. There are also 29 qualified KRs who logged a better-than-league-average yards per return. Now to be fair many of these are also the same as on PR (I. Williams, R. Shaheed, S. Moore, M. Washington, M. Mims, G. Dortch) but can also add in the following who also fail to exceed either or both our height/weight thresholds (I'm also removing guys who are RBs outside of ST duties as I think that's a whole different thing, haha. There are about 8 of those players who are predominantly RBs): Tom Kennedy - WR, DET - [B]5'10"[/B], 195lb Brandon Codrington - DB, BUF - [B]5'9", 185lb[/B] Tyquan Thornton - WR, KC - 6'2", [B]185lb[/B] KaVontae Turpin - WR, DAL -[B] 5'9", 153lb[/B] Now don't get me wrong. I don't think all of these are necessarily "rosterable" players (and in fact not all of them currently ARE rostered, as best I know :P ). but I guess in looking at that I would conclude that...the general size threshold for having an above-average returner seems to skirt awfully close to our minimum threshold for WR or even CB usage. So on one hand I don't think we really need to go hunting for guys built like Turpin (I wouldn't necessarily rule it out either) but if the smallest we want to go is guys sized like Golden or Reed (and that seems to be our bottom-end for size) i could see that being a bit limiting for us BUT, with all that in mind, it's just a bit of a thought-exercise for me; I'm still not entirely convinced it's solely (or primarily) our returner (KR/PR) themself/themselves who is the biggest blame-factor for our below-average return game, and I'm not convinced that throwing a smaller and slightly more nimble guy back there would materially change much. [/QUOTE]
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