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<blockquote data-quote="Magooch" data-source="post: 1091839" data-attributes="member: 17987"><p>The Lloyd injury has made things really tough. I really think that the plan was never really to have Jacobs "replace" Jones because stylistically they're just so different. Jacobs has never really been a "home run" guy and in some ways you could argue is less "versatile" than Jones was (and I'm not meaning that to say "worse," just "different"). He has generally been more of a volume-based guy, that sort of bell-cow back that you can just give carry after carry after carry and he will generally be pretty reliable for you. But when it comes to "rate-based" numbers, his are not great. And I don't mean that as a criticism, but I strongly suspect the "plan" wasn't to bring in Jacobs in place of Jones and feed him a ton of carries usually for 3-4 yards per. I have to think the intention was to have a 1A/1B room between Jacobs and Lloyd, the "thunder and lightning" type of thing, probably with the intention of Lloyd taking over as the "1A" for Jacobs after a few years. Now that plan is pretty obviously out the window and Lloyd is a total unknown quantity so we have more or less been forced into leaning heavy on Jacobs.</p><p></p><p>And I liked Wilson for sure, but my gut says his "ceiling" is probably about what we saw out of Jacobs 2025. I don't think he gets much better than that. Of course, you could certainly take that and say you'd rather pay 1m per year for Wilson than 15m per year for Jacobs, yeah. I don't know if Wilson maintains that level given the same volume but like with McManus/Havrisik I have to wonder why we had another situation where the starter was seemingly less-than-100% yet continued to be given starter's reps when the backup was seemingly providing similar production...</p><p></p><p>AND I have to wonder as well how much Jacobs was hurt by relatively "vanilla" run play calling. I don't know if some of that can be accounted for Matt feeling rather hamstrung by the OL play. But as much as we all repeatedly decried the 3rd/4th down slow developing runs out of shotgun, that stuff hurts Jacobs as well. I mean look at him vs Philly. He knows the play sucks, he's stuck trying to make the most of it. </p><p></p><p>But, looking forward... all that said I would note two things:</p><p></p><p>1. I think that we would benefit more from (hypothetically) putting more resources towards fixing OL play and continuing with Jacobs than we would investing those resources at RB and trotting out largely the same OL play. </p><p>2. But that being said, I also think you generally don't need a ton of super-premium investment to find a decent player at RB. For instance just recently we saw Croskey-Merritt and Monangai drafted in the 7th but they have been quite effective.</p><p></p><p>But, we also did manage to get Jones to take a meaningful paycut to stay longer for a time too, so I dunno. But it wouldn't surprise me if this coming season is the last for Jacobs in GB. And like I said, that's a bit of a bummer. I really like the guy, he's a 100% every down type of player and I think that benefits the guys around him. Overall we need more players like that in the building, not less. But for the money and the production at this point, I don't know how much longer you can justify paying that kind of salary for those kind of "intangible" benefits.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Magooch, post: 1091839, member: 17987"] The Lloyd injury has made things really tough. I really think that the plan was never really to have Jacobs "replace" Jones because stylistically they're just so different. Jacobs has never really been a "home run" guy and in some ways you could argue is less "versatile" than Jones was (and I'm not meaning that to say "worse," just "different"). He has generally been more of a volume-based guy, that sort of bell-cow back that you can just give carry after carry after carry and he will generally be pretty reliable for you. But when it comes to "rate-based" numbers, his are not great. And I don't mean that as a criticism, but I strongly suspect the "plan" wasn't to bring in Jacobs in place of Jones and feed him a ton of carries usually for 3-4 yards per. I have to think the intention was to have a 1A/1B room between Jacobs and Lloyd, the "thunder and lightning" type of thing, probably with the intention of Lloyd taking over as the "1A" for Jacobs after a few years. Now that plan is pretty obviously out the window and Lloyd is a total unknown quantity so we have more or less been forced into leaning heavy on Jacobs. And I liked Wilson for sure, but my gut says his "ceiling" is probably about what we saw out of Jacobs 2025. I don't think he gets much better than that. Of course, you could certainly take that and say you'd rather pay 1m per year for Wilson than 15m per year for Jacobs, yeah. I don't know if Wilson maintains that level given the same volume but like with McManus/Havrisik I have to wonder why we had another situation where the starter was seemingly less-than-100% yet continued to be given starter's reps when the backup was seemingly providing similar production... AND I have to wonder as well how much Jacobs was hurt by relatively "vanilla" run play calling. I don't know if some of that can be accounted for Matt feeling rather hamstrung by the OL play. But as much as we all repeatedly decried the 3rd/4th down slow developing runs out of shotgun, that stuff hurts Jacobs as well. I mean look at him vs Philly. He knows the play sucks, he's stuck trying to make the most of it. But, looking forward... all that said I would note two things: 1. I think that we would benefit more from (hypothetically) putting more resources towards fixing OL play and continuing with Jacobs than we would investing those resources at RB and trotting out largely the same OL play. 2. But that being said, I also think you generally don't need a ton of super-premium investment to find a decent player at RB. For instance just recently we saw Croskey-Merritt and Monangai drafted in the 7th but they have been quite effective. But, we also did manage to get Jones to take a meaningful paycut to stay longer for a time too, so I dunno. But it wouldn't surprise me if this coming season is the last for Jacobs in GB. And like I said, that's a bit of a bummer. I really like the guy, he's a 100% every down type of player and I think that benefits the guys around him. Overall we need more players like that in the building, not less. But for the money and the production at this point, I don't know how much longer you can justify paying that kind of salary for those kind of "intangible" benefits. [/QUOTE]
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