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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thirteen Below" data-source="post: 1051974" data-attributes="member: 18006">I think the All Stars were the first St. Louis team, in 23. That was their only year. Then someone started the Gunners in 31, but they were independent - not part of the NFL. They were a very good team; in 33, they were something like 11-2-3, and played most of those games against NFL teams. They beat every NFL team they faced except the Packers and the Cincinnati Reds, outscoring their opposiiton by a total of 297-72 in 16 games.Then 1934 was their last season in that incarnation, and Green Bay beat them again that year. The NFL didn't want them because they were too far away from most other teams, and travel would have been too expensive. They struggled to find opponents good enough to give them a decent game, and finally gave up and folded because they couldn't sell enough tickets playing ****** regional competition. I think they started up again near the end of the 30s, and joined a new minor league called the AFL.But as good as they were, they might have been able to establish a solid franchise with a good reputation in the early years of the NFL, and maybe been a good team for many decades. It was just that extra day of train travel in each direction that killed them off.</blockquote>

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