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So I know I'll be flamed for this, but...need new O-L Coach?
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<blockquote data-quote="JBlood" data-source="post: 472470" data-attributes="member: 16"><p>thnxjack: I value your opinions, here are a few of mine: 1) MM decided on using the ZBS, with Jagodzinski the man to teach it. Then Philbin, then Campen. Nobody had any expertise except Jago in the scheme. To my knowledge, the Packers still use the ZBS much of the time 2) Agreed, but when he accepted the job as offensive line coach I would imagine he agreed to teach the ZBS, and felt competent in doing so. Had he admitted he had no expertise in the ZBS teaching, why would he have been hired, unless the scheme was to be dropped? 3) I suspect Philbin had a lot to do with the scheme, but, again Campen was hired to teach the line techniques. It is generally assumed that Philbin took over the offensive line coaching after the debacle against the Lions in 2010. The line then went on to be dominant throughout the rest of the regular season and to the Championship. 4) No idea, but I would assume all position coaches put their own 2 cents worth of opinion on all players being discussed. Whether anyone pays attention to his opinion is the real question. If his bosses are not interested in his opinion regarding talent, why would they keep him around? 5) Clifton was dominant when young and healthy, and during the run to the Championship. We don't have a L tackle of that ability as of now. It should be noted that Larry Beightol had a dominant offensive line the entire 6 years he was the line coach under Ray Rhodes and Sherman. Either he was blessed with unusual talent, or his coaching was important. 6) Less than a tackle the quality of a young Clifton 7) I think Philbin was important. See #3 8) The shuffling of the line has been every spring that MM has been head coach. Nobody could decide whether Lang was a G or T; Sitton a G or T; Sherrod G or T; EDS G, T, or C; etc., etc., etc. I would think a dominant AND SUCCESSFUL offensive line coach would determine such things. At one point Lang was a tackle according to Campen, and a guard by McCarthy. Now he's a guard. Does that mean MM has no confidence in Campen's opinion? 9) The offensive line was up and down during 2010 until the (almost) devastating loss in Detroit. What followed was a complete turnaround by the O line that had much to do with getting into the playoffs, and then winning Championship #13. It is thought that Philbin was the director of the line during that run. If so, it explains the Championship while Campen was the offensive line coach of record.</p><p></p><p>This is all my opinion only, and I have no unusual insight to the inner workings of the Packers. But I can see that the line play is substandard, and it will result in the injury of the MVP if something is not done. </p><p>Someone has to turn things around, as occurred in 2010. It should be Campen, but someone has to do it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JBlood, post: 472470, member: 16"] thnxjack: I value your opinions, here are a few of mine: 1) MM decided on using the ZBS, with Jagodzinski the man to teach it. Then Philbin, then Campen. Nobody had any expertise except Jago in the scheme. To my knowledge, the Packers still use the ZBS much of the time 2) Agreed, but when he accepted the job as offensive line coach I would imagine he agreed to teach the ZBS, and felt competent in doing so. Had he admitted he had no expertise in the ZBS teaching, why would he have been hired, unless the scheme was to be dropped? 3) I suspect Philbin had a lot to do with the scheme, but, again Campen was hired to teach the line techniques. It is generally assumed that Philbin took over the offensive line coaching after the debacle against the Lions in 2010. The line then went on to be dominant throughout the rest of the regular season and to the Championship. 4) No idea, but I would assume all position coaches put their own 2 cents worth of opinion on all players being discussed. Whether anyone pays attention to his opinion is the real question. If his bosses are not interested in his opinion regarding talent, why would they keep him around? 5) Clifton was dominant when young and healthy, and during the run to the Championship. We don't have a L tackle of that ability as of now. It should be noted that Larry Beightol had a dominant offensive line the entire 6 years he was the line coach under Ray Rhodes and Sherman. Either he was blessed with unusual talent, or his coaching was important. 6) Less than a tackle the quality of a young Clifton 7) I think Philbin was important. See #3 8) The shuffling of the line has been every spring that MM has been head coach. Nobody could decide whether Lang was a G or T; Sitton a G or T; Sherrod G or T; EDS G, T, or C; etc., etc., etc. I would think a dominant AND SUCCESSFUL offensive line coach would determine such things. At one point Lang was a tackle according to Campen, and a guard by McCarthy. Now he's a guard. Does that mean MM has no confidence in Campen's opinion? 9) The offensive line was up and down during 2010 until the (almost) devastating loss in Detroit. What followed was a complete turnaround by the O line that had much to do with getting into the playoffs, and then winning Championship #13. It is thought that Philbin was the director of the line during that run. If so, it explains the Championship while Campen was the offensive line coach of record. This is all my opinion only, and I have no unusual insight to the inner workings of the Packers. But I can see that the line play is substandard, and it will result in the injury of the MVP if something is not done. Someone has to turn things around, as occurred in 2010. It should be Campen, but someone has to do it. [/QUOTE]
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