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Should Pat Lee have been penalized and/or ejected?
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<blockquote data-quote="PackwillBEback" data-source="post: 408128" data-attributes="member: 446"><p>You definitely make a good point. I'm not saying that it isn't holding, but it isn't a hold (in terms of penalties). I don't agree with it, however this is the way it is interpreted by the higher up officials in every level. This is the way they tell their officials to enforce it, they tell them not to throw flags for holding on plays like these. </p><p> </p><p>You do see tons of holding calls made, however those are made on one on ones. You get a crap load of those (you actually get more illegal blocks in the back on scrimmage kicks and free kicks than holds...rightfully so). I'm just telling you in situations like this, you aren't going to see the holding flag. You will get criticized by supervisors, evaluators, etc if you were to throw a holding flag in this situation. As I mentioned before the idea is that they are getting overpowered anyways. While I agree with that, I believe if you are overpowering them there is no need to hold and if you do, you should get penalized. However, this isn't the interpretation and application given by most rules committees and officiating committees that decide how the other officials should officiate. </p><p></p><p>I do agree with you on the point you made if they could throw a flag in situations like that it could have prevented Lee from punching. It is a great point, you step in before it escalates. You don't even need a flag to avoid that...you should be closing in on this play (even on a live ball) as it is away from the ball AND you should immediately be there once the ball is dead. THey did a **** poor job preventing this, along with Suh's play....</p><p></p><p>I get your point on the fact they were holding after the whistle too, that isn't good...HOWEVER this act shouldn't necessarily be penalized after the play because then we would see a flag on 50% more plays after it is over because chicken sh*t happens every time. Football players chicken fight all the time...and you don't want to throw flags on that. Just come in and tell them to knock the crap off.</p><p></p><p>You definitely are making valid points, but the way things are interpreted and enforced by officials in general it was legal to do what they did to Lee. It shouldn't be, but that is the interpretation given by the officials in charge of this at every level from high school to the NFL.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PackwillBEback, post: 408128, member: 446"] You definitely make a good point. I'm not saying that it isn't holding, but it isn't a hold (in terms of penalties). I don't agree with it, however this is the way it is interpreted by the higher up officials in every level. This is the way they tell their officials to enforce it, they tell them not to throw flags for holding on plays like these. You do see tons of holding calls made, however those are made on one on ones. You get a crap load of those (you actually get more illegal blocks in the back on scrimmage kicks and free kicks than holds...rightfully so). I'm just telling you in situations like this, you aren't going to see the holding flag. You will get criticized by supervisors, evaluators, etc if you were to throw a holding flag in this situation. As I mentioned before the idea is that they are getting overpowered anyways. While I agree with that, I believe if you are overpowering them there is no need to hold and if you do, you should get penalized. However, this isn't the interpretation and application given by most rules committees and officiating committees that decide how the other officials should officiate. I do agree with you on the point you made if they could throw a flag in situations like that it could have prevented Lee from punching. It is a great point, you step in before it escalates. You don't even need a flag to avoid that...you should be closing in on this play (even on a live ball) as it is away from the ball AND you should immediately be there once the ball is dead. THey did a **** poor job preventing this, along with Suh's play.... I get your point on the fact they were holding after the whistle too, that isn't good...HOWEVER this act shouldn't necessarily be penalized after the play because then we would see a flag on 50% more plays after it is over because chicken sh*t happens every time. Football players chicken fight all the time...and you don't want to throw flags on that. Just come in and tell them to knock the crap off. You definitely are making valid points, but the way things are interpreted and enforced by officials in general it was legal to do what they did to Lee. It shouldn't be, but that is the interpretation given by the officials in charge of this at every level from high school to the NFL. [/QUOTE]
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