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<blockquote data-quote="PackwillBEback" data-source="post: 407629" data-attributes="member: 446"><p>I don't mean this as an insult or to think I'm better or smarter than any other individual here, but I'm guessing you guys never have officiated football. Read rule books in whole, interpretation books (which are JUST AS IMPORTANT), mechanics manuals, officiating clinics, conferences and meetings. There is much more than this in the rule book. So just keep that in mind. I'm not an NFL official, but philosophies are much the same along the levels in these types of actions....you have to take a lot into account when calling a game.</p><p> </p><p>I believe the ejection was correct and warranted as Lee did punch. It really relevant always if there is a closed fist or open hand, it is still considered a punch. It was to the head. That is expressly prohibited. It was intentional and in my opinion flagrant. What happened leading up to it is IS NO RELEVANCE at all. (Say if Detrich-Smith had punched Suh or spat on him previous to what Suh did....wouldn't change the fact Suh should have been ejected). The fact is, K22 (Pat Lee) threw a punch to the head. That calls for an ejection. It was the right call by the crew by the rule book, by their interpretations, by their case play and what they are told by the officiating department of the NFL.</p><p></p><p>HOWEVER, I will say that R32 should have also been penalized with a personal foul for his grasping and pushing up on the facemask of Lee. I don't think R32's actions warranted an ejection, as I didn't see a punch. It should have been offsetting personal fouls, no 15 yards for the Lions. </p><p></p><p>As for the holding, I don't think there really is none. If you ever been to a game in person or don't watch the ball on a punt...this happens all the time....you are getting mugged down the field. ESPECIALLY on a 2v1 or 3v1...you are NEVER EVER going to get a holding call. The reason is that, he's facing two guys...he's getting over powered and pushed back. Same why on holds on runs up the middle where the O-line grabs the jersey of a d-linemen, no hold is called because even though they are holding the jersey, they are pushing forward. As long as there is no tug and turn or pull...no holding call. But especially in cases of 2 v. 1 or 3 v. 1....you won't get the call for getting manhandled down field. I think the officials should have been a bit quicker to break it up and probably should have been more preventive from the start, as it was already chippy, but K22 (Pat Lee) threw a punch. Regardless of the events that took place up to that point, the ejection is warranted.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PackwillBEback, post: 407629, member: 446"] I don't mean this as an insult or to think I'm better or smarter than any other individual here, but I'm guessing you guys never have officiated football. Read rule books in whole, interpretation books (which are JUST AS IMPORTANT), mechanics manuals, officiating clinics, conferences and meetings. There is much more than this in the rule book. So just keep that in mind. I'm not an NFL official, but philosophies are much the same along the levels in these types of actions....you have to take a lot into account when calling a game. I believe the ejection was correct and warranted as Lee did punch. It really relevant always if there is a closed fist or open hand, it is still considered a punch. It was to the head. That is expressly prohibited. It was intentional and in my opinion flagrant. What happened leading up to it is IS NO RELEVANCE at all. (Say if Detrich-Smith had punched Suh or spat on him previous to what Suh did....wouldn't change the fact Suh should have been ejected). The fact is, K22 (Pat Lee) threw a punch to the head. That calls for an ejection. It was the right call by the crew by the rule book, by their interpretations, by their case play and what they are told by the officiating department of the NFL. HOWEVER, I will say that R32 should have also been penalized with a personal foul for his grasping and pushing up on the facemask of Lee. I don't think R32's actions warranted an ejection, as I didn't see a punch. It should have been offsetting personal fouls, no 15 yards for the Lions. As for the holding, I don't think there really is none. If you ever been to a game in person or don't watch the ball on a punt...this happens all the time....you are getting mugged down the field. ESPECIALLY on a 2v1 or 3v1...you are NEVER EVER going to get a holding call. The reason is that, he's facing two guys...he's getting over powered and pushed back. Same why on holds on runs up the middle where the O-line grabs the jersey of a d-linemen, no hold is called because even though they are holding the jersey, they are pushing forward. As long as there is no tug and turn or pull...no holding call. But especially in cases of 2 v. 1 or 3 v. 1....you won't get the call for getting manhandled down field. I think the officials should have been a bit quicker to break it up and probably should have been more preventive from the start, as it was already chippy, but K22 (Pat Lee) threw a punch. Regardless of the events that took place up to that point, the ejection is warranted. [/QUOTE]
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