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<blockquote data-quote="Clay&#039;s Jock Strap" data-source="post: 270939" data-attributes="member: 1977"><p><a href="http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/82724602.html" target="_blank">Childress on a defining penalty | StarTribune.com</a></p><p> </p><p><strong>Q. As far as the penalty, was fullback Fahu Tahi the extra man and was running backs coach Eric Bieniemy responsible for sending him onto the field? How did that unfold?</strong></p><p><strong>A. </strong>"It was a 30-second timeout and you look back through the timeline. I got questions about how we started the 2-minute drive, we typically try to conserve our timeouts until the last minute unless we've got a gain of 10 or 15 yards that we can't get up and get to the ball [because] it takes a while for those linemen to get down there. But that was a 30-second timeout and we had talked about the same play with two different personnel groupings. The initial conversation was about a personnel grouping with a tailback and a fullback and we ended up settling on a tight end, three-wide type of operation [there actually were two tight ends and two wide receivers in the huddle] and we had the fullback in the huddle. Typically, when you hold your guys as we do, because [the Saints] are looking from that sideline to try to see what personnel you have, you're running people on and people are running off. But Tahi had gone into the game because that was the first part of the conversation and it's an error in communication and it all comes back to me not having it over-communicated."</p><p><strong>Q. When did you realize that 12 guys were out there?</strong></p><p>A. "Just as we broke the huddle and we had just come out of calling a timeout. You can't call back-to-back timeouts. That's the rules. So it was going to be a penalty one way or the other, breaking the huddle with the too many men or calling a timeout."</p><p><strong>Q. At that point, is there anybody on the staff that is supposed to be looking for that or is it just too late?</strong></p><p><strong>A. </strong>"I've heard at least -- because I haven't read the accounts, it's too hard to read the accounts -- of chaos [on the Vikings sideline]. I think everybody was over communicating with their position group, that's what those guys do. Everybody was talking in ear pieces and listening, coaching your group, coaching your guys. Is there anybody responsible? Yeah, they all hold up their hands, telling what position group is coming in the game because you can't always hear in those environments. It's a visual type of thing and typically you see a quarterback step away if there are too many people in the huddle. [Favre] was listening to [offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell] give him the signal and he wasn't ... we don't count [the players] every single time in the huddle. Tahi was kind of squatted down on the other side."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Clay's Jock Strap, post: 270939, member: 1977"] [url=http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/82724602.html]Childress on a defining penalty | StarTribune.com[/url] [B]Q. As far as the penalty, was fullback Fahu Tahi the extra man and was running backs coach Eric Bieniemy responsible for sending him onto the field? How did that unfold?[/B] [B]A. [/B]"It was a 30-second timeout and you look back through the timeline. I got questions about how we started the 2-minute drive, we typically try to conserve our timeouts until the last minute unless we've got a gain of 10 or 15 yards that we can't get up and get to the ball [because] it takes a while for those linemen to get down there. But that was a 30-second timeout and we had talked about the same play with two different personnel groupings. The initial conversation was about a personnel grouping with a tailback and a fullback and we ended up settling on a tight end, three-wide type of operation [there actually were two tight ends and two wide receivers in the huddle] and we had the fullback in the huddle. Typically, when you hold your guys as we do, because [the Saints] are looking from that sideline to try to see what personnel you have, you're running people on and people are running off. But Tahi had gone into the game because that was the first part of the conversation and it's an error in communication and it all comes back to me not having it over-communicated." [B]Q. When did you realize that 12 guys were out there?[/B] A. "Just as we broke the huddle and we had just come out of calling a timeout. You can't call back-to-back timeouts. That's the rules. So it was going to be a penalty one way or the other, breaking the huddle with the too many men or calling a timeout." [B]Q. At that point, is there anybody on the staff that is supposed to be looking for that or is it just too late?[/B] [B]A. [/B]"I've heard at least -- because I haven't read the accounts, it's too hard to read the accounts -- of chaos [on the Vikings sideline]. I think everybody was over communicating with their position group, that's what those guys do. Everybody was talking in ear pieces and listening, coaching your group, coaching your guys. Is there anybody responsible? Yeah, they all hold up their hands, telling what position group is coming in the game because you can't always hear in those environments. It's a visual type of thing and typically you see a quarterback step away if there are too many people in the huddle. [Favre] was listening to [offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell] give him the signal and he wasn't ... we don't count [the players] every single time in the huddle. Tahi was kind of squatted down on the other side." [/QUOTE]
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