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<blockquote data-quote="HardRightEdge" data-source="post: 876781"><p>I've been over this ground before a couple of times with lists of names, etc., but I'll add some color here:</p><p></p><p>1) Note that 11 of 26 in that list were taken from the 2nd. round on down.</p><p></p><p>2) That list is just the "good" ones, the top Adjusted Yards Per Attempt guys drafted since 2011 if I'm reading that right and if that is what actually constitutes "good". The following QBs taken in the top 52 (Kizer's spot) since 2011 did not even make that list. Their draft years and draft positions are noted.</p><p></p><p>Daniel Jones, 2019, #6</p><p>Dwayne Haskins, 2019, #15</p><p>Drew Lock, 2019, #42</p><p></p><p>Sam Darnold, 2018, #3</p><p>Josh Allen, 2018, #7</p><p>Josh Rosen, 2018, #10</p><p></p><p>DeShone Kizer, 2017, #52</p><p></p><p>Paxton Lynch, 2016, #26</p><p>Christian Hackenberg, 2016, #51</p><p></p><p>Blake Bortles, 2014, #3</p><p>Johnny Manziel, 2014, #22</p><p></p><p>E.J. Manuel, 2013, #16</p><p>Geno Smith, 2013, #39</p><p></p><p>Brandon Weedon, 2012, #22</p><p></p><p>Jack Locker, 2011, #8</p><p>Blaine Gabbert, 2011, #8</p><p>Christian Ponder, 2011, #12</p><p></p><p>More busted QBs from #53 on down can be found here:</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/draft-finder.cgi?request=1&year_min=1936&year_max=2020&type=&round_min=1&round_max=30&slot_min=1&slot_max=500&league_id=&team_id=&pos[]=QB&college_id=all&conference=any&show=all" target="_blank">https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/draft-finder.cgi?request=1&year_min=1936&year_max=2020&type=&round_min=1&round_max=30&slot_min=1&slot_max=500&league_id=&team_id=&pos[]=QB&college_id=all&conference=any&show=all</a></p><p></p><p>3) The elimination of QB camps may be a minor consideration in hitting on a franchise QB compared to the proliferation of college spread/option offenses in their various forms over the last decade. What may look good in those schemes may not translate to a pro style offense. In fact, there may be players who would make fine pro style QBs who didn't get to play and be developed in college or switched to a different position at some point, maybe even in high school. There are top QB picks who come into this league who never took a snap from under center in their lives, and that's not the half of it.</p><p></p><p>4) Every GM who takes a QB in the first round thinks he's worth the cost. Actually, he should be thinking he's worth more than his cost if he's expected to start while on his rookie contract. In fact, it's axiomatic that every GM thinks every pick he makes regardless of position is worth that cost, but I digress.</p><p></p><p>5) QB busts are kinda like career ending injuries. If they're not your guys they are quickly forgotten so the frequency of those things happening tends to be underestimated unless you go looking for them.</p><p></p><p>6) Fortune may or may not favor the bold Gutekunst. In most of these cases it's more a matter of having no other choice.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HardRightEdge, post: 876781"] I've been over this ground before a couple of times with lists of names, etc., but I'll add some color here: 1) Note that 11 of 26 in that list were taken from the 2nd. round on down. 2) That list is just the "good" ones, the top Adjusted Yards Per Attempt guys drafted since 2011 if I'm reading that right and if that is what actually constitutes "good". The following QBs taken in the top 52 (Kizer's spot) since 2011 did not even make that list. Their draft years and draft positions are noted. Daniel Jones, 2019, #6 Dwayne Haskins, 2019, #15 Drew Lock, 2019, #42 Sam Darnold, 2018, #3 Josh Allen, 2018, #7 Josh Rosen, 2018, #10 DeShone Kizer, 2017, #52 Paxton Lynch, 2016, #26 Christian Hackenberg, 2016, #51 Blake Bortles, 2014, #3 Johnny Manziel, 2014, #22 E.J. Manuel, 2013, #16 Geno Smith, 2013, #39 Brandon Weedon, 2012, #22 Jack Locker, 2011, #8 Blaine Gabbert, 2011, #8 Christian Ponder, 2011, #12 More busted QBs from #53 on down can be found here: [URL]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/draft-finder.cgi?request=1&year_min=1936&year_max=2020&type=&round_min=1&round_max=30&slot_min=1&slot_max=500&league_id=&team_id=&pos[]=QB&college_id=all&conference=any&show=all[/URL] 3) The elimination of QB camps may be a minor consideration in hitting on a franchise QB compared to the proliferation of college spread/option offenses in their various forms over the last decade. What may look good in those schemes may not translate to a pro style offense. In fact, there may be players who would make fine pro style QBs who didn't get to play and be developed in college or switched to a different position at some point, maybe even in high school. There are top QB picks who come into this league who never took a snap from under center in their lives, and that's not the half of it. 4) Every GM who takes a QB in the first round thinks he's worth the cost. Actually, he should be thinking he's worth more than his cost if he's expected to start while on his rookie contract. In fact, it's axiomatic that every GM thinks every pick he makes regardless of position is worth that cost, but I digress. 5) QB busts are kinda like career ending injuries. If they're not your guys they are quickly forgotten so the frequency of those things happening tends to be underestimated unless you go looking for them. 6) Fortune may or may not favor the bold Gutekunst. In most of these cases it's more a matter of having no other choice. [/QUOTE]
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