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<blockquote data-quote="pizzle" data-source="post: 723246" data-attributes="member: 12428"><p>I see that both are listed around 6'2" 240. In pads to me Jake looks 6'3" 250, Martinez 6'1" 230. But whatever. Clay is clearly heavier, true, but out of the three to me he has the best lateral movement. Martinez does have a nice first step and covers the flats well, but I think #52 could be just as good/better if he saw being inside less as a chore and more of a challenge to master.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Then what is the "spy" technique used for when a team doesn't have a mobile QB-since I've seen it used when a team has a signal-caller that can't move? And why do teams still run variations of "Tampa 2", then? And why is Earl Thomas lauded for his ability as a single-high safety, then?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I will just focus on our D and not the typical 4-3/3-4. I hardly EVER see Nick dropping, and I consider him as a "SOLB"-type in our defense as the LOLB. He has horrible coverage skills, is lumbering, and usually gives up a first down pass play to a RB out of the flat when he is called to drop. I don't think I've ever seen him cover a TE besides maybe give them a chuck and then get to rushing. Clay, however, is the one I have seen in man and carry TEs through the red zone/drop into deep third zones and try to thwart a receiver. I think Dom kinda changes things up based on his personnel. Additionally, the reason why we run so much base nickel (and play so much dime/have started bringing in Morgan as a "money" backer to play inside) is because the coaches have wanted a DB to cover TEs and not our linebackers, inside or outside, as much as possible. I will agree with you that as a WILB, Clay's responsibility has in the past/would be in the future to play the RB. Sometimes I've seen him do it well, others he's gotten toasted. But I think he can improve enough to the point where if he became more competent as a real ILB and not be a liability in terms of gap integrity/zone responsibility, his athleticism and instincts would give us the equivalent of a very poor man's Patrick Willis mixed in with the soul of a pass rusher. The kicker is he would not necessarily even "line up inside" on a good amount of late passing downs; he'd get to be like a "Joker" for the defense. He might line up next to Joe Thomas or Morgan Burnett as an ILB but blitz in any one of 2 gaps on each side, he might start in the middle but right before the snap lurch out to either one of the C gaps and attack like an EDGE, he might start at the EDGE and wheel back inside/cover the flat/spy/cover a deep third, or he might just be the lone wolf in the middle getting his Ray Lewis impersonation on. The point is, the possibilities are endless if we start with a foundation of keeping Clay inside more than keeping him outside. From what he has shown over the years on the field, good and bad, along with the state of the defense/how it could help the franchise business-wise, it is well worth it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pizzle, post: 723246, member: 12428"] I see that both are listed around 6'2" 240. In pads to me Jake looks 6'3" 250, Martinez 6'1" 230. But whatever. Clay is clearly heavier, true, but out of the three to me he has the best lateral movement. Martinez does have a nice first step and covers the flats well, but I think #52 could be just as good/better if he saw being inside less as a chore and more of a challenge to master. Then what is the "spy" technique used for when a team doesn't have a mobile QB-since I've seen it used when a team has a signal-caller that can't move? And why do teams still run variations of "Tampa 2", then? And why is Earl Thomas lauded for his ability as a single-high safety, then? I will just focus on our D and not the typical 4-3/3-4. I hardly EVER see Nick dropping, and I consider him as a "SOLB"-type in our defense as the LOLB. He has horrible coverage skills, is lumbering, and usually gives up a first down pass play to a RB out of the flat when he is called to drop. I don't think I've ever seen him cover a TE besides maybe give them a chuck and then get to rushing. Clay, however, is the one I have seen in man and carry TEs through the red zone/drop into deep third zones and try to thwart a receiver. I think Dom kinda changes things up based on his personnel. Additionally, the reason why we run so much base nickel (and play so much dime/have started bringing in Morgan as a "money" backer to play inside) is because the coaches have wanted a DB to cover TEs and not our linebackers, inside or outside, as much as possible. I will agree with you that as a WILB, Clay's responsibility has in the past/would be in the future to play the RB. Sometimes I've seen him do it well, others he's gotten toasted. But I think he can improve enough to the point where if he became more competent as a real ILB and not be a liability in terms of gap integrity/zone responsibility, his athleticism and instincts would give us the equivalent of a very poor man's Patrick Willis mixed in with the soul of a pass rusher. The kicker is he would not necessarily even "line up inside" on a good amount of late passing downs; he'd get to be like a "Joker" for the defense. He might line up next to Joe Thomas or Morgan Burnett as an ILB but blitz in any one of 2 gaps on each side, he might start in the middle but right before the snap lurch out to either one of the C gaps and attack like an EDGE, he might start at the EDGE and wheel back inside/cover the flat/spy/cover a deep third, or he might just be the lone wolf in the middle getting his Ray Lewis impersonation on. The point is, the possibilities are endless if we start with a foundation of keeping Clay inside more than keeping him outside. From what he has shown over the years on the field, good and bad, along with the state of the defense/how it could help the franchise business-wise, it is well worth it. [/QUOTE]
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