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<blockquote data-quote="OldSchool101" data-source="post: 1078126" data-attributes="member: 10086"><p>Really hard to compare those imo.</p><p>Also you need to look at the Ravens game a little closer. You obviously didn’t watch that game or so much as take a minute to study the drives. Cleveland kept turning the ball over and giving Baltimore short fields. INT, fumble, blocked punt in scoring position. So this appears to be more of an attempt at broad dispersions on the Cleveland Defense. They rank #10 in rushing and #2 in passing yards allowed. Thats including every example you provided. Due to a few sporadic games like that their points allowed 23pts don’t reflect properly on the defense. When Teams has a blocked punt in scoring position or you turn it over 1st n Goal from the 5 yardline it’s hard to be critical of the Defense. You of anyone should know this as you’re a packers fan! It’s like looking in the mirror.</p><p></p><p>The Browns are nowhere near as bad as you are inferring. In that Baltimore game the Cleveland D got spotted the ball In terrible situational. Baltimore did score a TD on 1 longer 56 yards drive.</p><p>The rest?</p><p>24 yards scored</p><p>24 yards scored</p><p>36 yards scored</p><p>5 yards scored.</p><p>Hard to defend that short field stuff regularly without allowing a FG or TD. Cleveland out-produced Baltimore’s Offense by like 80+ yards. Flacco led that week they were sloppy with the ball like we’ve been. Turnovers are death to a team. Especially in scoring position. If Savion doesn’t fumble it changed the entire complexity.</p><p></p><p>So in short. You've supported your argument using 1 Detroit game (a top tier team and Offense that was awarded 3 Turnovers) that scored 50% of their points on turnovers (17pts) and a backup QB across ALL the others. Not very compelling that the Cleveland D is poor imo </p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-defensive-line-rankings-ahead-of-week-10-2025[/URL]</p><p></p><p>I’m not suggesting the Browns don’t have issues. I’m also not implying the Packers can’t improve. Yet so far the best we can do is use a lonely pair of walk off FG’s all season to dismantle the Packers. I don’t care if our opponent is Miami or the Raiders, every team is susceptible to lose if they play sloppy. I bet the Buffalo Bills agree what the H is wrong with that Josh Allen!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="OldSchool101, post: 1078126, member: 10086"] Really hard to compare those imo. Also you need to look at the Ravens game a little closer. You obviously didn’t watch that game or so much as take a minute to study the drives. Cleveland kept turning the ball over and giving Baltimore short fields. INT, fumble, blocked punt in scoring position. So this appears to be more of an attempt at broad dispersions on the Cleveland Defense. They rank #10 in rushing and #2 in passing yards allowed. Thats including every example you provided. Due to a few sporadic games like that their points allowed 23pts don’t reflect properly on the defense. When Teams has a blocked punt in scoring position or you turn it over 1st n Goal from the 5 yardline it’s hard to be critical of the Defense. You of anyone should know this as you’re a packers fan! It’s like looking in the mirror. The Browns are nowhere near as bad as you are inferring. In that Baltimore game the Cleveland D got spotted the ball In terrible situational. Baltimore did score a TD on 1 longer 56 yards drive. The rest? 24 yards scored 24 yards scored 36 yards scored 5 yards scored. Hard to defend that short field stuff regularly without allowing a FG or TD. Cleveland out-produced Baltimore’s Offense by like 80+ yards. Flacco led that week they were sloppy with the ball like we’ve been. Turnovers are death to a team. Especially in scoring position. If Savion doesn’t fumble it changed the entire complexity. So in short. You've supported your argument using 1 Detroit game (a top tier team and Offense that was awarded 3 Turnovers) that scored 50% of their points on turnovers (17pts) and a backup QB across ALL the others. Not very compelling that the Cleveland D is poor imo [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-defensive-line-rankings-ahead-of-week-10-2025[/URL] I’m not suggesting the Browns don’t have issues. I’m also not implying the Packers can’t improve. Yet so far the best we can do is use a lonely pair of walk off FG’s all season to dismantle the Packers. I don’t care if our opponent is Miami or the Raiders, every team is susceptible to lose if they play sloppy. I bet the Buffalo Bills agree what the H is wrong with that Josh Allen! [/QUOTE]
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