Packers Need???

[rodell330]

Packers need:
1. New strength and conditioning staff
2. A New DC who will install a new scheme
3. A down hill bruiser at RB who will fall forward and pick up extra yards.
4. A 3 down sideline to sideline middle LB who will thump in the run game.
5. To groom King as the eventual #1 corner. He's a rook and will have his lumps...but the skill set is clearly there along with the physical attributes.
6. Another pass rusher on the d-line. I like Lowry but I don't think he's a guy who can take over a game...and Daniels is a run stopper and not much of a pass rushing specialist.
7. A full time OC so that MM can focus more on pad level and fundamentals

 

[RepStar15]

Packers Need:

1. A new strength and conditioning / athletic training staff
2. A new DC
3. To groom Kevin King
4. Offensive line depth
5. To call more trick plays

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Some more positive attitude from some fans ??

 

[gbgary]

they only need ONE thing...more talent. their problem isn't coaching...even capers. oh wait...they could use more experience. constantly flipping experienced players for cheap rookies hurts.

 

[rodell330]

they only need ONE thing...more talent. their problem isn't coaching...even capers. oh wait...they could use more experience. constantly flipping experienced players for cheap rookies hurts.

Yes, I agree that definitely they need more talent. But you can't tell me that a problem isn't coaching. When you have constantly lose games the same way year in year out it's definitely coaching.

 

[rodell330]

Some more positive attitude from some fans ??

I hate when it's automatically assumed as being " negative" whenever fans voice their opinions about this team haha smh. Contrary to what some of you would like to believe the Packers are NOT the perfect team, and do have a ton of flaws

 

[AmishMafia]

they only need ONE thing...more talent. their problem isn't coaching...even capers. oh wait...they could use more experience. constantly flipping experienced players for cheap rookies hurts.

How does lack of talent look different to you as compared to poor coaching?

 

[Mondio]

And we love them, flaws and all. But there are a few on here that just relish the opportunity to be able to highlight those flaws on a daily basis. I wonder if they even ever want the Packers to win. I know they can't wait for the times when they lose. That's been demonstrated over and over.

 

[gbgary]

How does lack of talent look different to you as compared to poor coaching?

this is the same coaching staff core that won a super bowl and went 15-1 the next season. MM's gotten better as a coach as times gone on. if they had better talent to implement what they want to do they'd be unstoppable. it's down to evaluation but it's also where they draft every year. look at how dallas has improved because they've been drafting much earlier than we have for years. no one would say their coaching is better. it's the talent that's been available to them.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

I hate when it's automatically assumed as being " negative" whenever fans voice their opinions about this team haha smh. Contrary to what some of you would like to believe the Packers are NOT the perfect team, and do have a ton of flaws

Rodell, what made you assume I was singling you out particularly ?? I`m fine with your opinions. I certainly don`t think this team is the perfect team, but I live in hope that it will be one day.

 

[GleefulGary]

Daniels isn't much of a pass rusher? Lol.

And where does one find a 3-down Mike that can also be a "thumper"? Those guys are rare. Very rare.

I'm not a big Capers fan, but he's not as bad as some of you think he is.

Not sure how much a new S&C coach will do here. More impact at the college level imo.

Bruiser back would be nice for sure. Monty hesitated a lot against the Bengals. I didn't like that.

We need OL depth, and we could use another WR. I really hope we spend a first or second day pick on a quick WR.

 

[swhitset]

Daniels isn't much of a pass rusher? Lol.

And where does one find a 3-down Mike that can also be a "thumper"? Those guys are rare. Very rare.

I'm not a big Capers fan, but he's not as bad as some of you think he is.

Not sure how much a new S&C coach will do here. More impact at the college level imo.

Bruiser back would be nice for sure. Monty hesitated a lot against the Bengals. I didn't like that.

We need OL depth, and we could use another WR. I really hope we spend a first or second day pick on a quick WR.

Hope you meant first or second round..... we got 2 second day WRs this year plus a few undrafted free agents... All were released before final cuts... a couple reside on the practice squad... another is playing for the Saints last I heard...

 

[Raptorman]

After watching all 3 games I have to say, you guys need a new DC. With the current defense there is no way the Super Bowl is in line for this year for the Packers. Watching them play against a bad Bengals team, a mediocre Seattle team and a good Atlanta team, it's just not in the cards. And to top it off, your Offensive tackles are hurt which is hurting the one strength they did have and that is Rodgers having time to throw.

And if the personnel are not there, then the problem is in the draft and signing of free agents. And that is on Ted.

 

[AmishMafia]

this is the same coaching staff core that won a super bowl and went 15-1 the next season. MM's gotten better as a coach as times gone on. if they had better talent to implement what they want to do they'd be unstoppable. it's down to evaluation but it's also where they draft every year. look at how dallas has improved because they've been drafting much earlier than we have for years. no one would say their coaching is better. it's the talent that's been available to them.

This is the same GM that put the SB team together and went 15-1 the next season. You will need to do better to prove your point.

Bad example. Dallas was a perennial 500 team till they hired Rod marinelli as DC. They lost their best defensive player and the Cowboy defense still improved drastically with less talent from 32nd to 19th. Their top players were Barry church, Rolando McClain, and Anthony Hitchens. Not great by any means. I think if we acquired every defensive player at that time from the Cowboys, maybe 2 of them would have started. Yet they did better than we did that year. And their HC was young and highly respected. He has improved significantly as a HC, I think anyone moderately familiar with the Cowboys would agree.

For the Packers, Capers has a history, a distinct pattern of early success and then fading off as time goes on. Whether this is coaching strategy, player development, or whatever, the GM is constant in all his examples, so the talent he has to work with is the same. But Capers follows an absolute pattern of regressing defenses after a few years.

Packer fans have the all time example of talent vrs coaching in Lombardi. There were 15 players who eventually were all pro including several HOFers and the Packers were the laughing stock of the NFL. They had all the talent but you would never have known it because of the lack of coaching and ultimately a lack of success.

TT has not changed and the talent is on the roster. And there is no difference in evaluating defense or offense, it's the same process. The only thing limiting the packers is defensive coaching.

 

[OldSchool101]

We need to stay the course Offensively and Defensively. Sunday, I noticed on at least one drive, where we played man to man off the LOS and I just about fainted I was so excited. Then, we held them on 1st and 2nd downs! Then we dropped that concept and reverted back to zone coverage on 3rd down and the Bengals converted. We also did this on at least one TD pass in the middle of the Endzone, we let their WR's run rampant without being contested while playing zone. This resulted in an easy TD. However the QB had to throw quickly due to pass rush pressure.. and that play had a high chance resulting in an incomplete pass or a stop if we would've harassed the WR off the line and slowed him down 1 second. Either play full press or don't play full press, but don't change midstream something that is working.
As I've said, I think we'll be fine. I 'ain't gonna lie, I was a little worried about my 24-20 GB prediction after the 1st half. But it's no big secret that GB was not playing with a full hand and that the Bengals have an above average Defense. Nice job to our Defense who started slow.. but then only gave up 17 total points (due to a pick 6).
We just need to get healthy and keep getting these rookies involved. We haven't even seen what Montravius or Biegel are all about yet. Our running game should gradually improve as O-line starters return and we get some experience in our backfield. Concerning our running game, we're a very young squad, especially without Bulaga and Bakh.

 

[rodell330]

Daniels isn't much of a pass rusher? Lol.

And where does one find a 3-down Mike that can also be a "thumper"? Those guys are rare. Very rare.

I'm not a big Capers fan, but he's not as bad as some of you think he is.

Not sure how much a new S&C coach will do here. More impact at the college level imo.

Bruiser back would be nice for sure. Monty hesitated a lot against the Bengals. I didn't like that.

We need OL depth, and we could use another WR. I really hope we spend a first or second day pick on a quick WR.

If you think Daniels is a pass rusher you need to look at his entire career sack numbers bro..not just one game against a sorry SeaHawks o-line. Then it won't be so funny. He's stout against the run.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Packers need:
1. New strength and conditioning staff
2. A New DC who will install a new scheme
3. A down hill bruiser at RB who will fall forward and pick up extra yards.
4. A 3 down sideline to sideline middle LB who will thump in the run game.
5. To groom King as the eventual #1 corner. He's a rook and will have his lumps...but the skill set is clearly there along with the physical attributes.
6. Another pass rusher on the d-line. I like Lowry but I don't think he's a guy who can take over a game...and Daniels is a run stopper and not much of a pass rushing specialist.
7. A full time OC so that MM can focus more on pad level and fundamentals

#1 should actually be replacements for the front office losses that have reduced Thompson's ability to stock this team with talent. Get rid of Capers, you tell me what defensive players a new coordinator is building around on this team. Also, AJ Green is to Dalton what Rodgers is to McCarthy.

 

[gbgary]

This is the same GM that put the SB team together and went 15-1 the next season. You will need to do better to prove your point.

Bad example. Dallas was a perennial 500 team till they hired Rod marinelli as DC. They lost their best defensive player and the Cowboy defense still improved drastically with less talent from 32nd to 19th. Their top players were Barry church, Rolando McClain, and Anthony Hitchens. Not great by any means. I think if we acquired every defensive player at that time from the Cowboys, maybe 2 of them would have started. Yet they did better than we did that year. And their HC was young and highly respected. He has improved significantly as a HC, I think anyone moderately familiar with the Cowboys would agree.

For the Packers, Capers has a history, a distinct pattern of early success and then fading off as time goes on. Whether this is coaching strategy, player development, or whatever, the GM is constant in all his examples, so the talent he has to work with is the same. But Capers follows an absolute pattern of regressing defenses after a few years.

Packer fans have the all time example of talent vrs coaching in Lombardi. There were 15 players who eventually were all pro including several HOFers and the Packers were the laughing stock of the NFL. They had all the talent but you would never have known it because of the lack of coaching and ultimately a lack of success.

TT has not changed and the talent is on the roster. And there is no difference in evaluating defense or offense, it's the same process. The only thing limiting the packers is defensive coaching.

the Packers had several poor years toward the end of BF's tenure where they got several cogs for that 2010 season. the cowboys built their O from the draft and pretty much ignored the d. they just started to address the d this year. i think evaluation and draft position have been a much bigger problem than Capers. the loss of Reggie McKenzie hurt bad. look how oakland has improved.

 

[AmishMafia]

the Packers had several poor years toward the end of BF's tenure where they got several cogs for that 2010 season. the cowboys built their O from the draft and pretty much ignored the d. they just started to address the d this year. i think evaluation and draft position have been a much bigger problem than Capers. the loss of Reggie McKenzie hurt bad. look how oakland has improved.

Oakland got beat really bad yesterday by a marginal Redskin team. Therefore Reggie McKenzie is a bad GM and did not have playmakers or depth on that team. Let's analyze all GMs the way TT is analyzed.

My personal eye test tells me there is a lot of talent on the packer defense. We are plagued by players out of position, poor secondary communication (Although this has improved); head scratching defensive game plans; and failure to make adjustments in game. These are all coaching failures. If it was a player or two occasionally maybe it would be talent, or a db a step behind a WR or whatever I would look at talent. But it is across the board, WRs are Open in the middle seams constantly. Its mostly coaching.

 

[GleefulGary]

Hope you meant first or second round..... we got 2 second day WRs this year plus a few undrafted free agents... All were released before final cuts... a couple reside on the practice squad... another is playing for the Saints last I heard...

1st round: first day
2nd-3rd round: second day
4-7th found: third day

So I meant exactly what I said.

 

[GleefulGary]

If you think Daniels is a pass rusher you need to look at his entire career sack numbers bro..not just one game against a sorry SeaHawks o-line. Then it won't be so funny. He's stout against the run.

The past couple years Daniels hasn't played a ton on 3rd down. That impacts sacks. You're also ignoring pressures, which he gets a lot of. If you think sacks are the only sign of a good pass rusher, then you are mistaken. It is a good sign, but not the only sign. Watch the tape.

And while his sack numbers aren't high, they are good for an iDL. You can't compare his sack numbers to an edge rushers.

 

[906Fan]

As much as I hope Dom Capers gets fired I don't think it should be done in the middle of the season. Once the season starts playoff teams don't fire their coaches.

 

[PackerFanLV]

1. A new head coach football has become to complicated for him.
2. A new GM I understand the king pick but you just can't pass on talent like dalvin cook.plus the talent level of the packers is mediocre without Rodgers and Daniels.
3.Dom Capers has went away from his strength because of talent level on defense he's always been a blitzing coridnator a descize type coridnator. Josh jones seems to be a gem and got 2 sacks haven't seen that since the Woodson days. I'm still a fan of Dom.
4.need legitimate linebackers or teams will continue to lose on 3rd and short and goaline play.
5.stregnth and conditioning coaches it's crazy year after year these injuries.
6.need a pass rusher, clay too busy making commercials.

 

[gbgary]

Oakland got beat really bad yesterday by a marginal Redskin team. Therefore Reggie McKenzie is a bad GM and did not have playmakers or depth on that team. Let's analyze all GMs the way TT is analyzed.

My personal eye test tells me there is a lot of talent on the packer defense. We are plagued by players out of position, poor secondary communication (Although this has improved); head scratching defensive game plans; and failure to make adjustments in game. These are all coaching failures. If it was a player or two occasionally maybe it would be talent, or a db a step behind a WR or whatever I would look at talent. But it is across the board, WRs are Open in the middle seams constantly. Its mostly coaching.

i'm talking about oak since McKenzie got there. they were trash now they're a contender in the afc. they were bad for a long time. picking high in the draft and getting no where. a few years with him picking high and they're good. the hard part starts now. picking low and making good choices. draft position makes it hard. he's made some good FA acquisitions too. back to the Packers. i think a lot of the other things you mentioned go to my player experience comment. we keep flipping experience for cheap youth. game planing...i've had my problems with them NOT playing a seattle-type secondary style. physical in-your-face. that's talent/experience. they must think they can't play like that. don't know. my eyes say they have some talent too. king/jones additions will make their mark with time...hopefully. Capers in innovative. look at the nitro configuration. idk...i think they can only do what their talent and experience will let them do.
good discussion sir.

 

[Mondio]

Part of the reason not many people play on the secondary is nobody else gets away with what they do in the secondary. That mild shoulder grab is a regular occurrence plus when your name is Richard Sherman. But everyone else gets flagged for an automatic 1st down while he gets praised for good defense