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<blockquote data-quote="Sunshinepacker" data-source="post: 624788" data-attributes="member: 9033"><p>I'm not going to just claim you're wrong on this statement, I would like to know how you arrived at that conclusion. Perhaps you have a compelling argument with well-founded reasoning that might convince me to come over to your point of view.</p><p></p><p>To make this more of a discussion and less of a shouting match, I'll lay out my reasoning for Daniels being better than Guion (though I should mention that Guion was the second best dlineman on the team last season so he's pretty good).</p><p></p><p>Daniels had two more sacks than Guion, more than triple the number of QB hits, three times the number of QB hurries, four more tackles and one more tackle for loss. PFF credited Daniels with 31 "stops" and Guion with 18; and before someone comes spouting some nonsense about what a "stop" is, google it, PFF explains it very clearly....screw it, just to head this off here's PFF's explanation of a stop:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><p style="margin-left: 20px"><p style="margin-left: 20px">It’s when an offense fails to get:</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">40 percent of the required yards for another first down on first down</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">60 percent of the required yards for a first down on second down</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">A first down on third or fourth down</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> </p> </p><p>So, I've laid out very clearly why I believe that Daniels is a better player. Please let me know the objective, identifiable reasons that you believe Guion is better.</p><p></p><p>As for Raji being in the discussion...he's been very good against two terrible olines but I'm not willing to say that two games this year outweigh the last four seasons of non-production or general awfulness (depending on health, and the best outcomes for Raji have actually been when he missed time).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sunshinepacker, post: 624788, member: 9033"] I'm not going to just claim you're wrong on this statement, I would like to know how you arrived at that conclusion. Perhaps you have a compelling argument with well-founded reasoning that might convince me to come over to your point of view. To make this more of a discussion and less of a shouting match, I'll lay out my reasoning for Daniels being better than Guion (though I should mention that Guion was the second best dlineman on the team last season so he's pretty good). Daniels had two more sacks than Guion, more than triple the number of QB hits, three times the number of QB hurries, four more tackles and one more tackle for loss. PFF credited Daniels with 31 "stops" and Guion with 18; and before someone comes spouting some nonsense about what a "stop" is, google it, PFF explains it very clearly....screw it, just to head this off here's PFF's explanation of a stop: [INDENT][INDENT][INDENT]It’s when an offense fails to get: 40 percent of the required yards for another first down on first down 60 percent of the required yards for a first down on second down A first down on third or fourth down [/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT] So, I've laid out very clearly why I believe that Daniels is a better player. Please let me know the objective, identifiable reasons that you believe Guion is better. As for Raji being in the discussion...he's been very good against two terrible olines but I'm not willing to say that two games this year outweigh the last four seasons of non-production or general awfulness (depending on health, and the best outcomes for Raji have actually been when he missed time). [/QUOTE]
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