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<blockquote data-quote="Shawnsta3" data-source="post: 604294" data-attributes="member: 5065"><p>I like your added parameters. Because to add one more Super Bowl appearance as a front office executive in 1996 and another win as VP of Football Operations two years out of your parameters might have made your argument less strong. Not to mention Super Bowls as your only parameters for rating a GM. Because while he's only won one Super Bowl in that time period which already qualifies him in the strong minority, him dominating the NFC North year after year is apparently worth nothing. Interesting.</p><p></p><p>I see where you could have interpreted my argument as straw man though, because these guys have gone unsigned. Though I think there still remains a correlation between veterans and their athletic ability dropping off. At least personally it has me thinking, what if a guy like Reggie Wayne or Frank Gore had to line up for a 40 time, how would they do today? Or even a guy like Darren McFadden who once ran it at 4.33 and was just signed? A.J. Hawk ran his combine 40 at 4.59 and I'd be very much surprised if he could have even cracked 5.0 in the last few years. Which is also the same time period in which he's become irrelevant on the football field. While a rookie coming in will certainly struggle in some areas where a veteran succeeds, I would take athletic rookie A.J. Hawk over veteran A.J. Hawk every day of the week. This is not even to mention the added addition of things like a rookie cap scale and compensatory picks into the equation. Hopefully this cleared my argument up.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shawnsta3, post: 604294, member: 5065"] I like your added parameters. Because to add one more Super Bowl appearance as a front office executive in 1996 and another win as VP of Football Operations two years out of your parameters might have made your argument less strong. Not to mention Super Bowls as your only parameters for rating a GM. Because while he's only won one Super Bowl in that time period which already qualifies him in the strong minority, him dominating the NFC North year after year is apparently worth nothing. Interesting. I see where you could have interpreted my argument as straw man though, because these guys have gone unsigned. Though I think there still remains a correlation between veterans and their athletic ability dropping off. At least personally it has me thinking, what if a guy like Reggie Wayne or Frank Gore had to line up for a 40 time, how would they do today? Or even a guy like Darren McFadden who once ran it at 4.33 and was just signed? A.J. Hawk ran his combine 40 at 4.59 and I'd be very much surprised if he could have even cracked 5.0 in the last few years. Which is also the same time period in which he's become irrelevant on the football field. While a rookie coming in will certainly struggle in some areas where a veteran succeeds, I would take athletic rookie A.J. Hawk over veteran A.J. Hawk every day of the week. This is not even to mention the added addition of things like a rookie cap scale and compensatory picks into the equation. Hopefully this cleared my argument up. [/QUOTE]
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