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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thirteen Below" data-source="post: 1071287" data-attributes="member: 18006">Oh, I fully agree with that. I'm just saying that at the time that he won the Super Bowl (and the MVP, if i recall correctly) he was a fair-to middling, respectable game-managing QB on a good team. Not a great team, the Crows were 10-6... tied as one of the 2 lowest teams to make the postseason, and 4th seed in the AFC just because they squeaked in as a division winner in a weak grouping.So I'm saying he's an example of your point that sometimes a decent QB who is a good game manager taking an overall-good team all the way, against all expectations - at that time. I'm not saying anything at all about what he or the Browns might do this year, because I'd be surprised if it amounts to anything.... just talking about what he did in 2012/13 with the Ravens.Which, damn.... yeah... was impressive. It still galls me that he came out of freaking nowhere to win as many Super Bowls with a good but not great team as both Favre and Rodgers won in their entire careers, with arguably far better teams to work with. It just doesn't feel right.Love really didn't look ready at all the first couple of years; I think it would have been a pretty rough first couple of years if we'd lost Rodgers in 21 or even 22.</blockquote>

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