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Message: <blockquote data-quote="NOMOFO" data-source="post: 578778" data-attributes="member: 9687">I think this entire debate over "elite" and not "elite" is just getting sooooo old. Fine... my initial reaction is to agree  with you. I don't think the Packers are "elite". But AGAIN...who is?!!I don't even disagree with really anything you are saying about where we are and have been. ...but... This is so frustrating. My Lord. We could be saying the exact same types of things if we were fans of Seattle...or San Fran...or certainly the Saints. I would lay money down today that the Packers would beat Dallas or Arizona if they played today. Vegas would indicated that Packer fans are whacked in underestimating their team.So, we can whine and btch about the fact that we're not going 16-0 every season and winning the Super Bowl every year... or we can be realistic in understanding the days of "elite" teams and "dynasties" are long gone. BTW... I'll say it again...I agree Jay is Jay... but that's about the most over-rated group of talent in the NFL. Forte is an absolute beast but after that... classic cases of WAY more hype than proven world class studs.</blockquote>

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