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<blockquote data-quote="HardRightEdge" data-source="post: 520276"><p>nfldraftscout.com ranks Beau Allen 17th. among senior DTs with a 7th. round / FA rating. While most of the 16 above him don't have NT/big body DE dimensions, one would reckon some big body underclassmen will eventually be added to the list.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=DT&draftyear=2014&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC&startspot=10" target="_blank">http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=DT&draftyear=2014&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC&startspot=10</a></p><p></p><p>As for Raji, Hawk, et. al., speaking for myself I don't see it as a matter of failed expectations. I generally don't have any expectations of draft picks until I see them play NFL football, and then my expectations are based on how they play and progress regardless of draft position.</p><p></p><p>For me it's a matter of value...what do they give us for what we pay them. Hawk played some middling ILB making Pro Bowl money after 2010. I liked him a lot more after the pay cut. His weight drop and improved speed seems to have helped his game; he looks like a decent value at this point.</p><p></p><p>Raji...an off-and-on NT with an inconsistent motor. He's a decent player all-in-all. His rookie deal averaged out to about $4.5 mil per year. Have we gotten good value? I think so particularly given his first 2 years. Would $6 - $7 mil per year represent good value? Not in my opinion. Do the Packers have a higher opinion than mine and will consequently pay that kind of money? We'll see, but I doubt it. For that kind of money at DT/3-4 DE you expect a well-rounded player, decent in all aspects of the game and outstanding in some, a leader in his unit, a guy of at least Pro-Bowl-consideration-caliber in most years. I'd be disappointed if the Packers went over $5 mil per, or $5.5 mil if no alternatives emerge or Pickett retires. Somebody will likely want to pay him more.</p><p></p><p>There is another consideration here...I don't believe any of the dozen or so teams playing 3-4 put 3 big body guys in their base DL. It's pretty typical to see a big NT of course, a big guy at strong side end, and a 295 - 300 lb. guy on the weak side as was the case with Cullen Jenkins. Neal was supposed to be that guy; Datone Jones is supposed to be that guy, presumably when he adds more bulk and experience. First round picks are supposed to be 3-down capable.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HardRightEdge, post: 520276"] nfldraftscout.com ranks Beau Allen 17th. among senior DTs with a 7th. round / FA rating. While most of the 16 above him don't have NT/big body DE dimensions, one would reckon some big body underclassmen will eventually be added to the list. [url]http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=DT&draftyear=2014&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC&startspot=10[/url] As for Raji, Hawk, et. al., speaking for myself I don't see it as a matter of failed expectations. I generally don't have any expectations of draft picks until I see them play NFL football, and then my expectations are based on how they play and progress regardless of draft position. For me it's a matter of value...what do they give us for what we pay them. Hawk played some middling ILB making Pro Bowl money after 2010. I liked him a lot more after the pay cut. His weight drop and improved speed seems to have helped his game; he looks like a decent value at this point. Raji...an off-and-on NT with an inconsistent motor. He's a decent player all-in-all. His rookie deal averaged out to about $4.5 mil per year. Have we gotten good value? I think so particularly given his first 2 years. Would $6 - $7 mil per year represent good value? Not in my opinion. Do the Packers have a higher opinion than mine and will consequently pay that kind of money? We'll see, but I doubt it. For that kind of money at DT/3-4 DE you expect a well-rounded player, decent in all aspects of the game and outstanding in some, a leader in his unit, a guy of at least Pro-Bowl-consideration-caliber in most years. I'd be disappointed if the Packers went over $5 mil per, or $5.5 mil if no alternatives emerge or Pickett retires. Somebody will likely want to pay him more. There is another consideration here...I don't believe any of the dozen or so teams playing 3-4 put 3 big body guys in their base DL. It's pretty typical to see a big NT of course, a big guy at strong side end, and a 295 - 300 lb. guy on the weak side as was the case with Cullen Jenkins. Neal was supposed to be that guy; Datone Jones is supposed to be that guy, presumably when he adds more bulk and experience. First round picks are supposed to be 3-down capable. [/QUOTE]
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