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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dan115" data-source="post: 408955">I disagree   ---IMO (which according to you is complete nonsense)        In my bubbling complete nonsense a vast majority of the 1960's Packer HOF players would never make it to Canton if Lombardi was not their coach.  How many blocks or tackles did Lombardi throw in his days in Green Bay? Lombardi pushed these players to greatness.  Kramer was one of the best during his playing days.Here is some more of my complete nonsense---- Kramer  was an All Pro 5 times.  Selected to NFL's 50 th Anniversary All Time team. He was selected to the NFL's All Decade Team for the 1960's.  When Hornung was on able to play in 63 Kramer filled in as the place kicker also.  Scored 91 points that season.At to top it off with complete speculation and nonsense   IMO  a major block in the selection of Kramer to the HOF is because of his book.   He made some enemies. Anyway I respect your opinion.  Your truly,  A Fellow Packer Backer</blockquote>

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