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<blockquote data-quote="gwh11" data-source="post: 567039" data-attributes="member: 4910"><p>I understand the passion & frustration expressed here, and it's safe to assume most everyone here feels Kramer should be in the Hall. But I'm wondering if there is any evidence that petitions and letters to selectors from fans have any impact whatsoever. What are we telling them that they don't know already (except the part about Grabowski & Anderson <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-shortname=";)" />--sorry Dan115, you're getting a little good-natured ribbing for that one.)? I'm cynically beginning to wonder if the campaigns are working against him. (And the iPetition letter contains irrelevant material such as college honors.)</p><p></p><p>I think fans are putting too much emphasis on a few things that selectors may have a different view on.</p><p></p><p>The 50th Anniversary team list is clearly not taken as seriously among voters as it is with fans. (I wish I could recall where I saw that someone with some knowledge of the subject and process wrote that the list was long considered by "insiders" as very flawed.)</p><p></p><p>The NFL Network list has some dubious names on it (I'd be willing to bet Steve Tasker and Jim Marshall aren't in the top 10 of most voters minds; is there anyone here that would rank them over Howley, Stanfel, Wistert, J. Robinson, or Don Coryell, for example?), and willfully neglects a number of deserving potential candidates from pre-1960 pro football. I just don't see how a list designed for a network to show lots of modern-era clips and interviews carries any influence among selectors.</p><p></p><p>In the minds of some, Kramer was slightly offside on the "Ice Bowl" block, and Bowman didn't receive enough credit for that play.</p><p></p><p>Take those things away, and I still think he merits inclusion. But he faces some reasonable competition from other O-line names that are on their radar (Jim Tyrer, Winston Hill, Gale Gillingham). Starr's appreciation of Gillingham over the years may cloud the issue for Kramer.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="gwh11, post: 567039, member: 4910"] I understand the passion & frustration expressed here, and it's safe to assume most everyone here feels Kramer should be in the Hall. But I'm wondering if there is any evidence that petitions and letters to selectors from fans have any impact whatsoever. What are we telling them that they don't know already (except the part about Grabowski & Anderson ;)--sorry Dan115, you're getting a little good-natured ribbing for that one.)? I'm cynically beginning to wonder if the campaigns are working against him. (And the iPetition letter contains irrelevant material such as college honors.) I think fans are putting too much emphasis on a few things that selectors may have a different view on. The 50th Anniversary team list is clearly not taken as seriously among voters as it is with fans. (I wish I could recall where I saw that someone with some knowledge of the subject and process wrote that the list was long considered by "insiders" as very flawed.) The NFL Network list has some dubious names on it (I'd be willing to bet Steve Tasker and Jim Marshall aren't in the top 10 of most voters minds; is there anyone here that would rank them over Howley, Stanfel, Wistert, J. Robinson, or Don Coryell, for example?), and willfully neglects a number of deserving potential candidates from pre-1960 pro football. I just don't see how a list designed for a network to show lots of modern-era clips and interviews carries any influence among selectors. In the minds of some, Kramer was slightly offside on the "Ice Bowl" block, and Bowman didn't receive enough credit for that play. Take those things away, and I still think he merits inclusion. But he faces some reasonable competition from other O-line names that are on their radar (Jim Tyrer, Winston Hill, Gale Gillingham). Starr's appreciation of Gillingham over the years may cloud the issue for Kramer. [/QUOTE]
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