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<blockquote data-quote="jaybadger82" data-source="post: 548965" data-attributes="member: 6211"><p>Well, the Giants were a rather mediocre team in the 2011 regular season (9-7 record) before their Super Bowl run.</p><p></p><p>If NY had the worst run game in the regular season, that certainly wasn't the case for the playoffs. The Giants rolled up 466 yards on the ground in the post season that year, so their rushing game was clicking when the G-men made their title run. You'll note their worst rushing performance in the playoffs that year (against San Francisco) coincided with Eli's worst performance of that post-season, when he put up a measly 82.3 rating. </p><p></p><p>I think it's pretty accurate to say Eli performs better when defenses must respect the Giants run game. I suppose you could say the about any QB, but it was the complete and utter collapse of the Giants run game in 2013 the seems to most correspond with Eli's shoddy season. He certainly can't carry an offense...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't think that statistic is accurate. In addition to Rodgers and Eli, I believe both Joe Flacco and Kurt Warner have thrown 9 or more TDs in a single postseason. Do you have a source?</p><p></p><p>Whatever the case, again <a href="http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/5526/year/2011/eli-manning" target="_blank">I invite you to take a look at the stats (link embedded)</a>. Much of Eli's production in the 2011 postseason came against a mediocre Falcons defense and a remarkably porous Green Bay unit. Against the Niners and the Patriots Eli played well but I wouldn't call either performance awesome (3 TDs combined).</p><p></p><p>IMO, Eli isn't what propelled that Giants team over the hump so to speak in 2011 and his 9 TD performance wasn't as rarefied as you suggest in today's passing NFL. Also, do you think playing an extra game in the wild card round had anything to do with accumulating 9 TDs?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, if you're going to call him "cuntler," I wonder how objectively you're thinking about this.</p><p></p><p>I've supplemented your data above in red so it wouldn't be so misleading. You'll note that Cutler has played only about 2/3 as many games as Eli, so of course he has accumulated fewer total passing yards, TDs and INTs. When we look at the averages, the picture becomes less distorted.</p><p></p><p>Over his career, Eli has averaged about 231 passing yards per game and has a TD:INT ratio of about 1.34. "Cuntler" has averaged 230 passing yards per game and has a TD:INT ratio of about 1.38. Eli has a career passer rating of 81.2 while "Cuntler's" is slightly better at 84.6. Bottom line: that's remarkably similar production when you actually adjust for the number of games played (instead of just throwing out cumulative stats which are biased as hell in favor of the Eli because he's played 50% more games than "Cuntler").</p><p></p><p>I'll give Eli credit for playing well when the Giants made their Super Bowl runs but my original point remains: <em> in the big scheme of things, Eli and Cutler are very similar quarterback talents</em>. To say Eli is "leaps ahead" of Cutler seems like an overstatement, which is why I quoted/criticized your earlier post.</p><p></p><p>I guess I'm just not as fixated on Eli's Super Bowl rings as you seem to be. IMO, football is still a team game and Eli happened to be on a couple teams that got on a roll at the right time of year. He played well but he didn't carry those teams to the finish line. I think most people would agree that Eli has more rings than numerous QBs that are more talented objectively, including ARod.</p><p></p><p>...</p><p></p><p>To summarize, IMO:</p><p>(1) Eli Manning and Jay Cutler are similar QB talents. Neither is elite; and</p><p>(2) Eli played well, but not spectacularly, for a couple of Giants teams that got hot at the right time of year. It's a team sport and I don't think Eli carried the franchise the way other Super Bowl winning QBs have.</p><p></p><p>Just my opinion. Now I've given entirely too much time and attention to a topic I don't particularly care about, so you all can continue quibbling over this one without me. I suppose I'm much to blame for all the quibbling. Whatever the case, I'm done now.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jaybadger82, post: 548965, member: 6211"] Well, the Giants were a rather mediocre team in the 2011 regular season (9-7 record) before their Super Bowl run. If NY had the worst run game in the regular season, that certainly wasn't the case for the playoffs. The Giants rolled up 466 yards on the ground in the post season that year, so their rushing game was clicking when the G-men made their title run. You'll note their worst rushing performance in the playoffs that year (against San Francisco) coincided with Eli's worst performance of that post-season, when he put up a measly 82.3 rating. I think it's pretty accurate to say Eli performs better when defenses must respect the Giants run game. I suppose you could say the about any QB, but it was the complete and utter collapse of the Giants run game in 2013 the seems to most correspond with Eli's shoddy season. He certainly can't carry an offense... I don't think that statistic is accurate. In addition to Rodgers and Eli, I believe both Joe Flacco and Kurt Warner have thrown 9 or more TDs in a single postseason. Do you have a source? Whatever the case, again [URL='http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/5526/year/2011/eli-manning']I invite you to take a look at the stats (link embedded)[/URL]. Much of Eli's production in the 2011 postseason came against a mediocre Falcons defense and a remarkably porous Green Bay unit. Against the Niners and the Patriots Eli played well but I wouldn't call either performance awesome (3 TDs combined). IMO, Eli isn't what propelled that Giants team over the hump so to speak in 2011 and his 9 TD performance wasn't as rarefied as you suggest in today's passing NFL. Also, do you think playing an extra game in the wild card round had anything to do with accumulating 9 TDs? Well, if you're going to call him "cuntler," I wonder how objectively you're thinking about this. I've supplemented your data above in red so it wouldn't be so misleading. You'll note that Cutler has played only about 2/3 as many games as Eli, so of course he has accumulated fewer total passing yards, TDs and INTs. When we look at the averages, the picture becomes less distorted. Over his career, Eli has averaged about 231 passing yards per game and has a TD:INT ratio of about 1.34. "Cuntler" has averaged 230 passing yards per game and has a TD:INT ratio of about 1.38. Eli has a career passer rating of 81.2 while "Cuntler's" is slightly better at 84.6. Bottom line: that's remarkably similar production when you actually adjust for the number of games played (instead of just throwing out cumulative stats which are biased as hell in favor of the Eli because he's played 50% more games than "Cuntler"). I'll give Eli credit for playing well when the Giants made their Super Bowl runs but my original point remains: [I] in the big scheme of things, Eli and Cutler are very similar quarterback talents[/I]. To say Eli is "leaps ahead" of Cutler seems like an overstatement, which is why I quoted/criticized your earlier post. I guess I'm just not as fixated on Eli's Super Bowl rings as you seem to be. IMO, football is still a team game and Eli happened to be on a couple teams that got on a roll at the right time of year. He played well but he didn't carry those teams to the finish line. I think most people would agree that Eli has more rings than numerous QBs that are more talented objectively, including ARod. ... To summarize, IMO: (1) Eli Manning and Jay Cutler are similar QB talents. Neither is elite; and (2) Eli played well, but not spectacularly, for a couple of Giants teams that got hot at the right time of year. It's a team sport and I don't think Eli carried the franchise the way other Super Bowl winning QBs have. Just my opinion. Now I've given entirely too much time and attention to a topic I don't particularly care about, so you all can continue quibbling over this one without me. I suppose I'm much to blame for all the quibbling. Whatever the case, I'm done now. [/QUOTE]
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